Posted on 11/22/2005 12:44:07 PM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo
So then your claim that it should be possible for science to do this is retracted?
Ignoring the possibility and promoting the impossibilty are two differnet things. I don't see the ToE promoting a "no-design" concept either. It just begins with the exclusion of certain possibilities and proceeds from there. Not entirely unscientific or unreasonable. Not very enlightening or useful, either.
"Under the auspices of science, individuals are told that they cannot have faith and beliefs that are not supported by the scientific community"
I experienced this first hand when attempting to take a college level biology class back in the 80's. The professor's words were:
"For all present who have a pre-conceived notion that life began on earth though means other than evolution, I'm going to ask you to leave those notions outside this classroom."
A spirited debate followed that reverberated all the way to the dean's office. Despite an aplogy and invitation from the dean himself to continue the class, I declined, knowing there was no way I would get fair treatment and didn't wish to take the GPA hit.
The quickest way to overturn a judgement that something is impossible or otherwise can't be done is to get out there and do it. Which, needless to say, leads me right back to my previous post - show me the money on an empirical, objective, reliable test for design, and the field is yours. Until then, ID is more or less dead in the water.
So randomness is actually designed after all, and this designed string can be distinguished from the designed string?
Got it...
I tend to use words like "difficult" as opposed to impossible. Ideologues are the ones who talk in extremes. Scientists qualify their language.
who flashed the blueprints in the mind of man?
I create my own blueprints -- do you get them faxed in from off-world?
"who flashed the blueprints in the mind of man?"
Man.
So is the 'no-angels' concept of physics un-useful?
I believe you said the two strings were different, did you not? One of them randomly generated and the other one not?
One of the following strings was generated randomly, the other was designed -- I challenge the IDers to describe how they would determine which is which:
31dd02c5e6eec4693d9a0698aff95c2fcab58712467eab4004583eb8b7f89 55ad340609f4b30283e488832571415a
31dd02c5e6eec4693d9a0698aff95c2fcab50712467eab4004583eb8b7f89 55ad340609f4b30283e4888325f1415a
Interesting... Haven't been following the argument.
But be careful. Which random generator did you use? You know there is no such thing as a truly random number generator?
btw, I believe in God and evolution.
In some cases. No one qualifies the second law of thermodynamics, for example. Entropy always increases in a spontaneous thermodynamic process; no exceptions.
No. The concept of phsyics that "promotes" no angels is one I have never seen or heard of.
If they can, it'll be a demonstration that ID truly does open windows that science claims are shut. :-)
Of course you have. I just advanced it, and it's based on a comparison of modern physics and the physics of the middle ages.
Darwinism is the foundation for Communism and Nazism. The law suit and all the comments on it prove it."
Well, I guess that just settles it then. lol
You have any clue into that? My brain kinda shut down when I read it.
"You have any clue into that? My brain kinda shut down when I read it."
Yes, I do, it's called *Wishful Thinking*.
I assume you mean something other than design as understood from an articfact manufactured by humans.
Design is not such a difficult thing to comprehend that one needs empirical tests to identify it. Where there is organized matter, there is design. Design is what separates the intelligible from the intelligible. What empirical test is there to distinguish the intelligibile from the intelligible?
What emprical, objective, reliable test is there for your existence?
I think there was a better way to handle your dispute and that was to bring to the attention of Ad Mod.
But I notice you folks seem to have a deep seeded anger for some reason you don't discuss your try to beat others over the head and belittle them to make them look like weenies or you try to undermind one education...
It has cause me to look into some of your profiles or post to see if there was a pattern or just a patch of frustration!
How can one have a one on one discussion if you are always in a sophomoric put down frame of mind or worst!
To insult Alamo-Girl was uncalled for because you did like her oppinion!
I never heard of Sam Francis and I use to do a lot of reseach on conspiracy indeph this must be a new one...
I stop this search years ago for it was like the occult it was always chaseing the carrot an one never got to bottom of the endless chase or distraction!
sadly you too Liberal Classic and co horts will always be angery for you have no benchmark only the one you think you aquire here in the world...
Someday you will be clueless in the Universe you will have no true rudder or guiding star which you have failed to establish an relationship!
You will have invested all of your time on what is true in this dimension which most will be obsolete in the future leaving you tetherless in eternity!
Beyond here your degrees in education will be useless unless you also reside in a degress of glory!
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