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To: Ichneumon
Can you cite an example where science has been able, even for very small, limited, simple systems, been able to algorithmically distinguish between design and non-design?

One of the following strings was generated randomly, the other was designed -- I challenge the IDers to describe how they would determine which is which:

31dd02c5e6eec4693d9a0698aff95c2fcab58712467eab4004583eb8b7f89 55ad340609f4b30283e488832571415a

31dd02c5e6eec4693d9a0698aff95c2fcab50712467eab4004583eb8b7f89 55ad340609f4b30283e4888325f1415a

Interesting... Haven't been following the argument.

But be careful. Which random generator did you use? You know there is no such thing as a truly random number generator?

btw, I believe in God and evolution.

511 posted on 11/23/2005 11:03:38 AM PST by phantomworker (A new day! Begin it serenely; with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense!)
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To: phantomworker
But be careful. Which random generator did you use?

I don't know, I got the data from someone else. But since the application is cryptography, it's a good bet that it's a very well made RNG.

You know there is no such thing as a truly random number generator?

Actually, there is. For example: HotBits: Genuine random numbers, generated by radioactive decay .

For a more fun example: Truly random numbers from lava lamps. Sadly, the latest incarnation of "LavaRnd" doesn't use Lava Lites(tm) anymore. But its FAQ file does describe the classic original.

542 posted on 11/23/2005 11:45:49 AM PST by Ichneumon
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