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A Plague On Both Their Houses
Chronicles ^ | November 22, 2005 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 11/22/2005 11:12:05 AM PST by Irontank

Gen. William Odom has called the Iraq War the greatest strategic blunder in the history of the United States. Final returns are not yet in, but he may not be far off.

In invading Iraq, we attacked and occupied a country of 25 million that had not attacked us, did not threaten us, did not want war with us—to strip it of weapons we now know it did not have.

Even if, as most believed, Saddam had chemical or biological weapons, there was no evidence he intended the suicidal use of such weapons on U.S. troops in Kuwait, or to hand them over to al-Qaida to use on America, risking massive retaliation. Saddam was never a suicide bomber. He was always a survivor.

After 9-11, we couldn’t take the chance, countered the War Party. Nonsense. We take the chance every day with Iran and North Korea, far more powerful nations, as we did every day of the Cold War against a nuclear-armed Russia and China. They had missiles and WMD. But, like Saddam, they were deterred.

Yet President Bush, prodded by a cabal of neoconservatives who, for their own motives, had been plotting war on Iraq for years, invaded. History will hold him accountable for the consequences.

On the credit side, he liberated the Iraqis from a murderous tyrant. But the cost is high and rising: 17,000 U.S. dead and wounded—i.e., the eradication of an entire American division—$200 billion, the diversion of priceless assets from the fight against al-Qaida, rampant anti-Americanism in the Islamic world, the shattering of our alliances, the division of our nation, and the prospect of a U.S. defeat by Iraqi insurgents and terrorists.

Another cost must be added after a week in which Harry Reid and Co. accused President Bush of lying us into war, Republicans accused Democrats of cutting and running, and Rep. John Murtha accused Bush and Cheney of being chicken-hawks who dodged the draft in Vietnam.

Our leaders are behaving like the leaders of the late and unlamented French Third Republic.

But if Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are responsible for the war and its consequences, so, too, are the potential Democratic nominees: Kerry, Edwards, Clinton, Biden and Bayh. In October 2002, because the country was cheering a commander in chief beating a war drum, they voted Bush a blank check to take us to war. In the fall of 2005, with the people souring on the war, they voted for a timetable to get out.

We were deceived, we were misled, we were lied to, they wail. One only awaits their explanation that they were brainwashed by a C student. The Democratic Party is a poodle of public opinion, unfit to lead the nation.

But if we were stampeded into this war, we must not let ourselves be stampeded out of Iraq by a Democratic Party in panic, scrambling to get out in front of its base. For the cost of retreat and defeat may be far more calamitous than the costs of the present war.

There are at present four exit strategies:

A. The John McCain strategy of sending 10,000 more U.S. troops, taking as long as needed to train the Iraqi army and staying as long as necessary to achieve victory.

B. The Bush strategy of “Stay the Course,” with the present complement of forces staying as long as it takes to win.

C. The exit strategy envisioned in the bipartisan resolution in the Senate last week that passed with 79 votes, calling for Bush to give the Congress benchmarks of success, leading to withdrawal.

D. The Democratic option, supported by all but five Democratic senators, to set benchmarks and a timetable for getting out.

The McCain option is a non-starter, for it is non-credible. Adding 10,000 troops to the 160,000 there will not pacify a Sunni Triangle of 5 million. U.S. opposition to the war is near 60 percent. And if Bush refused to send the troops McCain has wanted for two years, he will not do so now that his support is evaporating. The failure to listen to Gen. Shinseki in 2002 was an irremediable blunder.

As for the Bush policy of “Stay the Course,” with support for the war crumbling in Congress and the country and no light at the end of the tunnel, it is unsustainable. On the other hand, a House resolution, engineered by Republicans, calling for immediate withdrawal was backed by only three members. Cut and run is not an option.

However, there exists a bipartisan consensus for Iraqification—the transfer of political authority in Baghdad and responsibility for the war to the Iraqis. All that remains in dispute is the timetable.

As for the ugliness and acrimony of Washington, it reflects the rage, resentment and shame of men who know they made a horrible mistake, thousands have suffered and died for it, and worse may be yet to come. The truth is both parties failed America. What the Greatest Generation won, the baby boomers are frittering away


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: bitterpaleos; buchanan; iraq; patbuchanan
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To: eskimo

This is the grand debate of the Buchanan groupie?


121 posted on 11/22/2005 1:08:29 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: msnimje
I never did any of the above and you have no EARTHLY idea if I even have political heroes much less who they might be.

Anyone with political boogeymen has political idols, no other logical reason for such behavior exists.

122 posted on 11/22/2005 1:11:01 PM PST by eskimo
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To: Irontank

Gen. Odom disappoints me with his shallow analysis.


123 posted on 11/22/2005 1:13:04 PM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: MEG33
This is the grand debate of the Buchanan groupie?

More like "the grand debate" of the political groupies who need a political boogeyman as cover for their adopted political dogma.

124 posted on 11/22/2005 1:13:53 PM PST by eskimo
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To: eskimo
Anyone with political boogeymen has political idols, no other logical reason for such behavior exists.

Do you suffer from paranoia? I do not want to challenge the mentally ill.

You see bogeymen where none exist (nor do you know how to spell "bogeymen"[among other words] ). Is your tinfoil hat in the shop?
125 posted on 11/22/2005 1:30:06 PM PST by msnimje (Bob Woodward is the Grinch who stole Fitzmas.....................................................)
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To: Irontank

Pat used to be somebody but now he is less than squat. I could care less what he might have to say anymore.


126 posted on 11/22/2005 1:39:03 PM PST by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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To: svcw

he's a piece of excrement. Not to mention the worst President in the history of our country. Bar none.



President George W. Bush, best and strongest, committed and truthful not to mention honorable President in the history of our country.


127 posted on 11/22/2005 1:42:38 PM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He's done more for our country than we will ever know. He's the man!)
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To: furquhart
"Anyone who opposes this war is a traitor, pure and simple."

Yep. Can't be letting folks say whatever they wish.

128 posted on 11/22/2005 1:46:55 PM PST by lugsoul
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To: msnimje; All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1526870/posts

William F Buckley...a different take.


129 posted on 11/22/2005 1:52:22 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: svcw
The VP had a deferment

taking college deferments until age 35 was obviously avoiding the draft

130 posted on 11/22/2005 1:55:16 PM PST by houston1
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To: msnimje
Do you suffer from paranoia? I do not want to challenge the mentally ill.

The paranoia is yours. Apparently so is the childish innuendo.

You see bogeymen where none exist (nor do you know how to spell "bogeymen"[among other words] ). Is your tinfoil hat in the shop?

The boogeyman is of your creation, and the spelling anomalie is also your problem and your silly reference to "tinfoil" is just... well, stupid.

131 posted on 11/22/2005 1:56:29 PM PST by eskimo
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To: gondramB
That Somebody who thinks that with 20/20 hindsight we should not have invaded when we did, in the way that we did is entitled to that opinion.

Ditto any war. But it is irresponsible to be looking back. What is important is to be looking forward, or just, heck, at the actually situation today. I think that at least the US army is not fighting a war under an incompetent commander like Mark Clark as it did in Italy back in 1943-44.

132 posted on 11/22/2005 2:02:11 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: eskimo
I am going to remind you what I wrote, please show me the bogeyman.

Pat Buchanan has EARNED the reputation of being unworthy of serious consideration.
133 posted on 11/22/2005 2:07:17 PM PST by msnimje (Bob Woodward is the Grinch who stole Fitzmas.....................................................)
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To: RobbyS

"Ditto any war. But it is irresponsible to be looking back. What is important is to be looking forward, or just, heck, at the actually situation today. I think that at least the US army is not fighting a war under an incompetent commander like Mark Clark as it did in Italy back in 1943-44."


You get agreement from me on all counts. The decision to invade has been made. What is important now is to get the best possible outcome for the united States and that clearly is not going to be achieved by giving up, abandoning the Iraqis who have trusted us and inviting Al Quaida to quickly bring their full force of attack here.

But there is a difference between saying people who say that we should not have invaded are not being responsible and saying they are traitors. If we take the later position we might as well give up the republican form of government.

I wouldn't trade our form of government for any other but there is something I admire about the British system - the concept of a loyal opposition with the obligation to ask the Prime minister tough questions in public and his obligation to answer.


134 posted on 11/22/2005 2:11:31 PM PST by gondramB
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To: eskimo
...and the spelling anomalie...

In the real word, we call it "misspelling" or "wrong" or "error" rather than ANOMOLY.

"Anomalie" is not a word or it is misspelled.

In the course of this thread, you too have earned the reputation of being unworthy of serious consideration.
135 posted on 11/22/2005 2:13:13 PM PST by msnimje (Bob Woodward is the Grinch who stole Fitzmas.....................................................)
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To: A.Hun
So if you didn't serve in the military, you cannot command troops or make executive decisions?

A**hat argument.

Well said A.Hun!

I hate this argument. It's weak.

I actually am a war vet but I have never played that card in a political argument and I intend to keep it that way. I don't want to live in an America were military service is required in order to have an opinion or to serve in a leadership capacity.

136 posted on 11/22/2005 2:18:14 PM PST by Gator101
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To: eskimo

"Pat Buchanan has EARNED the reputation of being unworthy of serious consideration."

Eskimo: "When I read crap like that, I just have to ask "by whom"?"

I don't agree with this column by Pat and in fact I disagree with Pat on a number of issues but I KNOW his contributions to the conservative movement. I remember the important issues he raised in his Presidential run and his contributions to the GOP platform. As a journalist he called more people on their BS than a dozen other commentators. The people who simply reject him out of hand are missing an opportunity.

On the other hand,I think he is off base in this collumn.


137 posted on 11/22/2005 2:19:26 PM PST by gondramB
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To: furquhart

Imagine today's "hip hop" morons fighting the Japanese on Tarawa, or storming the beaches of Normandy.

As for what's being taught in our schools, you can bet that China and North Korea aren't teaching their children self esteem and similar worthless crap.


138 posted on 11/22/2005 2:19:33 PM PST by travlnmn41
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To: msnimje
In the course of this thread, you too have earned the reputation of being unworthy of serious consideration.

How can I be certain that anything worthy of considerstion would be considered by you anyway.

139 posted on 11/22/2005 2:23:03 PM PST by eskimo
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To: msnimje
Pat Buchanan has EARNED the reputation of being unworthy of serious consideration.

Your misguided opinion is, by no means, a "reputation".

140 posted on 11/22/2005 2:25:00 PM PST by eskimo
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