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Massive 'time machine' in Mexico
Express-News Mexico City Bureau ^ | 11/22/2005 | Dane Schiller

Posted on 11/22/2005 9:47:28 AM PST by SwinneySwitch

SIERRA NEGRA, Mexico — Skinny dogs, rattlesnakes and burros roaming the ridges of this long-dormant volcano know something is afoot, though there hasn't been an eruption here in centuries.

What causes locals to stir, and scientists to salivate, is a 17-story monster of a telescope being assembled atop this 15,000-foot peak.

It is a giant time machine, probing the origins of the universe with an antenna dish the size of a baseball infield.

It looks like a space-age windmill, with two U-shaped steel arms to hold up a giant satellite dish. It will be the largest millimeter-wave radio telescope in the world — if it's ever completed.

Described by President Vicente Fox as "the most important science project in Mexican history," it's a rare cooperative effort by U.S. and Latin American scientists and an advance in the use of radio astronomy.

The distance that scientists would see is phenomenal, basically to the edges of the universe, some 13 billion light years away. The telescope would detect radio waves that, like light, move at about 186,000 miles per second and have been traveling for 13 billion years.

By comparison, it takes about eight minutes for light to travel from the sun to the earth.

"It is just amazing, the immensity of time," said Peter Schloerb of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, which is a partner in the project with Mexico's National Institute of Astrophysics, Optics and Electronics.

Equally startling are some of the contrasts the modern marvel brings to rural central Mexico.

While the telescope will look to the beginnings of time, many of its nearby residents have never traveled from the region around Sierra Negra, or "La Negra," as locals refer to the mountain.

Some communities only recently have received paved roads and electricity. While the telescope's findings one day may bend the minds of astronomy's best and brightest, its construction workers have elementary-school educations.

Whether the 18,200 tons of steel and concrete — and counting — that is being put together on La Negra become a radio telescope or the largest monument to broken scientific dreams could depend on whether the U.S. or Mexican governments finds about $25 million to finish it.

The exact figure is being determined, but contractors have agreed to keep working.

The Mexico-Massachusetts partnership was created in the early 1990s when neither research group could afford to build a telescope on its own. Mexico had higher mountains and a more favorable climate than Massachusetts and agreed to finance more of the construction, so the deal was made.

Now U.S. and Mexican scientists said they are scrambling for benefactors because the telescope is over budget, behind schedule and out of money.

About $100 million already has been spent, with 60 percent of that coming from the Mexican government and the rest from the U.S. government and state of Massachusetts.

The telescope has been under construction since 1997, and astronomers said they have no plans to give up.

"I am in love with this creature," Mexican astronomer Emmanuel Méndez Palma said as he walked beneath the tower-like structure.

He made no apologies for the higher costs but said there have been many twists and turns for the telescope, including changes in presidents, governors, political winds and purse strings.

"This project is on the frontier of technology," Méndez said. "You can never plan exactly how long or how much. Any project this size has delays."

President Fox recently said he guarantees the money will be found to finish it and that it would be inaugurated in 2006, his last year in office.

"We are very aware that (scientific advancement) is one of the nation's largest priorities," he said. "We are very aware that a country only develops when it has its own sources of science and technology development."

Schloerb welcomed the news that Fox said he'd find the money, but he noted it remains to be seen how much the president will allocate and when.

"I am pretty confident that at the end of the day, the governments are going to say, let's figure out how to get this done," Schloerb said.

The U.S. Embassy declined comment, but U.S. Ambassador Tony Garza asked in an April 12 letter to White House science adviser John Marburger for recommendations on possible federal funding to help complete the project.

Marburger, in turn, suggested a proposal be submitted to the National Science Foundation's astronomy program, but that would require specifics on how much it would cost and when it would be completed — both elements of a study still under way.

"Dr. Marburger is aware that the project was out of funding, but we understand that the Mexican government may have been able to find funding to complete the initial stages of the telescope to make it operational," said Donald Tighe of the White House office of Science and Technology Policy. "And we applaud the steps Mexico has taken."

A U.S. official with direct knowledge of the project, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it is doubtful Washington will come up with more money for it.

"Now, as far as Congress is concerned, they've done their bit," the official said. "Money for another telescope is not on the agenda right now for (the U.S. government)."

Laura Kraft, public information officer for the W. M. Keck Observatory in Hawaii, said a giant telescope's value is incalculable. She cited spin-off technology such as satellite global positioning systems and enhanced surgery procedures, as well as pure science.

"There are an infinite number of questions out there that reach into our imagination. Some people, in a spiritual sense, want to know their place in the universe," she said.

As for Méndez, the Mexican astronomer, he dreams of what the project could mean for his nation.

"We are playing in the major leagues with this instrument," he said. "We will really be on the frontier of knowledge and will be associated with the Americans, the French, whomever."

Méndez has had to keep peace with local residents, who he said have blocked the road at least 10 times over the years to demand jobs, electricity, pavement and other benefits from the project.

He said he was even confronted by an armed man who used a downed tree to block the roadway and then made what would appear to be an offer that couldn't be refused — that local trucks be used to make deliveries to the construction site, 45 minutes up a winding, sometimes treacherous road.

Other challenges include an altitude so high it impairs people's memory, judgment and performance.

At 15,000 feet, it can be difficult for workers to think, speak or just avoid getting sick due to thin air and bone-chilling temperatures. Next door is Mexico's highest mountain, the snow-covered Pico de Orizaba.

"Because of the lack of oxygen, you can't work with the same rhythm," said Gerardo Rivera Rodríguez, a construction foreman, who said many workers don't last long.

On a recent morning, welders and painters scrambled around the structure as they made final preparations before an attempt to attach the giant 160-foot dish antenna to the telescope tower.

Workers said they felt they should be earning more than $150 or so a week but were proud of bolstering Mexico's prestige and tolerating an environment others could not. Without these jobs, many would be relegated to seasonal agricultural work for much lower pay, or not working at all.

"I've heard this is the project of the millennium," said construction worker Alonzo Páez, who has two children and lives in a village at the base of Sierra Negra.

Juan Ahumada González, a crane operator brought in from the Texas-Mexico border state of Tamaulipas, said the telescope is more special than any building, bridge or roadway he'd ever helped complete.

"This is a first-of-its-kind project for Mexico," he said. "You feel pride."

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dschiller@express-news.net


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Massachusetts; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: sierranegra
"Mexico had higher mountains and a more favorable climate than Massachusetts and agreed to finance more of the construction, so the deal was made."!;^)
1 posted on 11/22/2005 9:47:30 AM PST by SwinneySwitch
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To: SwinneySwitch

Illegal Americans are pouring across the border to get jobs in construction...........


2 posted on 11/22/2005 9:49:32 AM PST by Red Badger (United States Marine Corps, Saving France's Bacon Since 1775.............)
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To: SwinneySwitch
"It is just amazing, the immensity of time," said Peter Schloerb...

I suspect this guy's a blonde.

3 posted on 11/22/2005 9:57:16 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Let's send all the illegals back a couple of hundred years so they can get jobs building their country(Mehico) up properly. See if they can do it right second time around.


4 posted on 11/22/2005 10:03:37 AM PST by blueminnesota
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To: blueminnesota

Long dormant volcano? Murphey's Law says they will get it built and find out the volcano is not so dormant.


5 posted on 11/22/2005 10:10:41 AM PST by Ingtar (Understanding is a three-edged sword : your side, my side, and the truth in between ." -- Kosh)
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To: SwinneySwitch
"It is just amazing, the immensity of time," said Peter Schloerb...

Whatta Schloerb!

6 posted on 11/22/2005 10:12:56 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: SwinneySwitch
He made no apologies for the higher costs but said there have been many twists and turns for the telescope, including changes in presidents, governors, political winds and purse strings.

Doing projects like this by "committee" with Prima Donna engineers and language barriers creates a lot of waste - Max-Planck in on it in the beginning?

Hiring the Navy Seebees to do some of the building would have been a win-win situation, those people are brilliant!

7 posted on 11/22/2005 10:19:54 AM PST by yoe
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To: SwinneySwitch
[ What causes locals to stir, and scientists to salivate, is a 17-story monster of a telescope being assembled atop this 15,000-foot peak. ]

LOOK up, up, up I say...

NOT at the Mexican border with the United States..

8 posted on 11/22/2005 10:33:27 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Well at least some of the illegal mexican astronomers will go back to mexico since there will be work there for them.


9 posted on 11/22/2005 10:33:53 AM PST by Mogollon (Contempt prior to investigation assures Everlasting Ignorance)
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To: voiceinthewind; calrighty; tall_tex; Not a 60s Hippy; phatoldphart; Texas WOP; Adrastus; ...

Mexico Ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off this South Texas/Mexico ping list.


10 posted on 11/22/2005 10:45:57 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (Mexico-beyond your expectations!)
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To: billorites
I suspect this guy's a blonde.

Let me take you back in time to April 2, 1997 when the big news of the day was Mexican Scientists Perfect Copying.

11 posted on 11/22/2005 10:49:09 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: SwinneySwitch

Other challenges include an altitude so high it impairs people's memory, judgment and performance"

But...but...I tell you, we've contacted someone who says he's God out there among the billyuns and billyuns of stars.

I have his phone number here somewhere.


12 posted on 11/22/2005 12:08:32 PM PST by wildbill
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To: yoe

"Hiring the Navy Seebees to do some of the building would have been a win-win situation, those people are brilliant!"

Naw, Seabees just know where the light switch is.


13 posted on 11/22/2005 12:09:01 PM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

American scientists are sneaking across the border looking for jobs doing the astronomy the Mexicans just don't want to do.


14 posted on 11/22/2005 12:13:47 PM PST by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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