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Pa. Girlfriend May Face Charges
CBS news ^ | Nov 21, 2005 | staff

Posted on 11/22/2005 7:00:20 AM PST by wouldntbprudent

"If she is charged because she was part of the planning, if she is charged because she was sort of a co-conspirator, she will face murder charges, even if she didn't pull the trigger. And the important thing to know about this, in terms of Pennsylvania law, is because she's 14, she's old enough to be transferred to adult court, be prosecuted as an adult and face, not the death penalty because of her age, but life behind bars."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: borden; karabethborden; ludwig
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1 posted on 11/22/2005 7:00:21 AM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: wouldntbprudent

If she gets charged she won't do much time as she is a minor ... and apparently did not pull the trigger. I understand they may be pressuring her with this to testify against him.


2 posted on 11/22/2005 7:01:41 AM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: wouldntbprudent

She probably said something like "My parents said we'd be together only over their dead bodies..."


3 posted on 11/22/2005 7:01:46 AM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: wouldntbprudent

She may be involved because the state dropped the kidnapping charges against her boyfriend because she willingly left with him...


4 posted on 11/22/2005 7:02:41 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: wouldntbprudent
"get as far away as possible, get married, and start a new life," the papers quote Ludwig as telling detectives.

2 out of 3 ain't bad. Going far away (prison) and starting a new life (sentence).

5 posted on 11/22/2005 7:04:46 AM PST by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I looked in my rearview mirror.)
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To: yldstrk

Kids do say stupid things, add hormones and things can turn tragic.


6 posted on 11/22/2005 7:08:30 AM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: eastforker

I don't think hormones are a defense to cold-blooded double murder.


7 posted on 11/22/2005 7:09:32 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
I never implied that it was a defense. Immature youths have been known to do and say really stupid things. Add hormones to the equation and they can do extremely stupid things. Add drugs and hormones along with immaturity you have incidents like this and columbine. Not saying drugs were involved but I would not be surprised.
8 posted on 11/22/2005 7:35:29 AM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: BunnySlippers

The article said a 14-year-old can be charged as an adult under PA. law. Can't get the death penalty, though.


9 posted on 11/22/2005 7:40:22 AM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: BunnySlippers

I wouldn't think they need her to testify against him. He's confessed. They found the murder weapon under the front seat of his car. Kara's younger sister saw him shoot her father and reported so to police.

I think they are just trying to figure out what she should be charged with.


10 posted on 11/22/2005 7:42:56 AM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: eastforker
I think stories like this just really make you shake your head...these kids could've done a million other things, ran away, eloped, joined and commune, whatever. But rather than do that, this clown murdered her parents in cold blood.

Sure, he's not the first person in the world who's had his girlfriend's parents disapprove of him. But murdering them? Has life gotten so cheap that murder is now a first choice of settling agreements? How long can such a society survive?

11 posted on 11/22/2005 7:43:07 AM PST by Lou L
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To: mlc9852

I don't thing ANYTHING is a defense in cold blooded murder. Not even 14 yrs old.


12 posted on 11/22/2005 7:44:10 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: wouldntbprudent

Im surprized the authorities are not treating Kara as a flight risk.

Yeah, she can't drive (at least not legally), but how could anyone put it past her to find some way to take off. Unless she's determined, literally, to stand by her man.


13 posted on 11/22/2005 7:44:50 AM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: wouldntbprudent
>because she's 14, she's old enough to be transferred to adult court

It's dreadful and sad
that a 14 year old girl
fell for this nut guy.

I wonder if she
was "just" an unbalanced girl
or if one or both

of her parents did
something traumatic to her
that messed up her mind.

14 posted on 11/22/2005 7:48:01 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: BunnySlippers

Testify to what? The boy has already confessed to the crime, and one of her siblings was an eyewitness to the shootings.


15 posted on 11/22/2005 7:48:16 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Lou L

It is called a crime of pasion, unlike animals humans have always had it, pasion that is.The girl was probably his first love and he was probably hers. I can imagine dad telling him on the way out the door to never call or see her again, to him it was unbearable. That is not a defense, there is none, but a probability to his mental condition at the time.


16 posted on 11/22/2005 7:51:52 AM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: bonfire
>I don't thing ANYTHING is a defense in cold blooded murder. Not even 14 yrs old

No one really knows
how common child abuse is.
Some psychologists

think many children
create fantasies of grief.
Some psychologists

think abuse of girls
by fathers is frequent, BUT
such an AWFUL crime

that Western culture
can not face up to it and
pushes away truth.

If she was abused,
it wouldn't "justify" her,
but might explain her.

17 posted on 11/22/2005 7:52:13 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss

Oh please.


18 posted on 11/22/2005 7:55:07 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: bonfire
>Oh please


19 posted on 11/22/2005 7:57:30 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: bonfire

Or perceived abuse and it does not neccesarily mean sexual. Some kids that have a curfew think it is abuse.


20 posted on 11/22/2005 7:57:51 AM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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