Chickenhawk talk is unAmerican..Murtha's astonishing lack of knowledge

Renew America ^ | 11-19-05 | Warner Todd Huston

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Chicken-hawk talk is unAmerican -- Murtha's astonishing lack of knowledge

Warner Todd Huston

November 19, 2005

On November 17th, Representative John Murtha (D, PA) called for the USA to prove that Osama bin Laden is right with his contention that Americans are cowards. He proposed that the US immediately pull its troops from Iraq.

Shocking as it may seem, Murtha was not only in the US military himself, but he served during the Vietnam War. Earning a Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts in Vietnam, you'd think he would know better than to propose that we turn tail and run from battle today. Especially when, after having done so in 1975 at the end of our involvement in Vietnam, so many millions of the Vietnamese people were slaughtered with even more imprisoned by the Communists we left unopposed. And it happened just as anti-Communists here then warned, just as Conservatives warn that a pull out of Iraq would doom many to unnecessary death today. It is one of the few true parallels between Vietnam and Iraq.

Apparently, however, Murtha is not very well informed about history, even that through which he lived.

But, certainly there is room for a discussion of policy or for debate on our direction in war. We can all agree on that. We can also all agree that President Bush has made mistakes in his prosecution of the war. Every president has made his share of mistakes in war. From Washington, to Lincoln, to Bush the elder, not every decision made was the perfect one to be sure.

Much ink has been spilled about Murtha's ill-advised ideas. The House of Representatives is this week debating his proposal (a pull out was defeated in the House on the 18th by a 403 to 3 vote), and the Blogs are a buzz with excoriation and praise of this man from Pennsylvania. He is certainly getting his "15 minutes."

Others will take on the efficacy of his idea and Murtha's proposal will get all the attention due it. But there are a few questions that need raising about the man himself and one of the avenues of attack he employed to advocate for his proposal.

Firstly, why is he even doing this?

If Murtha were a younger man, I'd wonder if he had presidential ambitions as a McGovernesque representative of the extreme left. But for a man in his 70s he is far to old for such ideas. And he certainly can't imagine he could possibly be a "leader" of his Party by the same token. If you actually heard his nearly incoherent, rambling replies to an interviewer after his proposal for cutting and running from Iraq was unveiled, one could easily be excused for imagining that he is a bit past his prime.

No, we have to assume he is not just cynically attempting to claim the limelight but that he truly believes this hogwash. We can doubt his good sense, his knowledge of history, and his sanity, but we cannot doubt his veracity.

So, we have to hand it to him. His standing on his principle is admirable. But we don't have to admire either the idea nor are we obligated to award him unquestioning authority because of the fact that he served in the military, even in a time of war.

And this brings me to that previously mentioned ridiculous avenue of attack he used during his moment in the sun. And it is something that rears its ugly head so often when politicians are talking things military that it is truly tiresome.

Here was Murtha's reply to a question posed to him about Vice-President Cheney's attacks against the Democrats' dangerous demagoguery of why Bush brought us to war:

"I like guys who've never been there that criticize us who've been there. I like that. I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and send people to war, and then don't like to hear suggestions about what needs to be done."

This begs the question for Representative Murtha, though, of his own service. He did not serve "there" in Iraq, so should he be discussing it? Should he have anything at all to say about Iraq? By Murtha's own "logic" he is qualified to speak of Vietnam because he was "there," after all. But, how is he qualified to speak of Iraq using his own criteria?

But, the whole claim that one should never discuss matters military unless they have served in the military themselves is the worst red-herring, most spurious straw-man argument in all of American politics. Not only that, but it is truly an anti-American argument to make. One that goes so against everything we have ever stood for, everything that our Founders held dear, that it boggles the mind.

One of the most terrifying fears for the Founders was that a military dictatorship would befall a post revolutionary America. It had happened so many times in the past after revolutions in other countries that our Forefathers took great pains to try and prevent it from happening here.

This is why the country does not have a military man "in" the government by design. It's why we are strictly governed by civilian authorities. It is why the President is the commander in chief and is responsible for the big decisions on military policy. It is also why only Congress can formally declare war. It is why we must separately present the budget for the military apart from other appropriations and budgets to be approved annually and why it is not necessarily just an automatic part of our financial appropriations.

All these provisions that distance the exercise of power away from military hands were provisions that the Founders insisted upon to keep the military from becoming a danger to Constitutional government, to keep the US army from being used to overtake power in coups like so many banana republics.

In case Representative Murtha was not aware, we also have a democracy and a free and open society. That means any citizen may not only discuss and advocate for their point of view (forming Hamilton and Madison's dreaded "factions"), but may become a leader and personally guide public policy from Congress despite their service, or lack thereof, in the country's armed forces.

In fact, the Founders had INSISTED that civilians be in a position to guide public policy despite their lack of service in the armed forces. They did not want a junta ruling the country from the ranks of the US military.

They feared military strongman politics and they designed a system to stop it.

In addition, Murtha should have it brought to his attention that past service does not assure unassailable knowledge of policy nor does it somehow bestow good sense. Benedict Arnold served the USA in the Revolutionary army as a general, but after that whole betraying our country to the British incident no one would imagine he would be a good one to ask about war policy thereafter. God forbid a man as vain and self-promoting as General George A. Custer would have become president in 1776 as he planned to do. And as good a soldier as he was, few would want as profane and unpredictable a man as General George Patton leading in Congress, either. And we shouldn't have to mention the relief many feel that John Kerry is not now sitting in Bush's place.

And who can forget that some of our greatest leaders never served a day in the military? Even in the age of Revolutionaries, many of our Founders did not don a uniform in the struggle.

Representative Murtha should be told that military service does not equate to sound leadership in all things, nor should military leadership be viewed as a sole qualification for policy creation, either.

The next time you hear a politician use the fact that they served to attack someone who hasn't, no matter what side he is on, please remember how truly un-American that person is acting.

© Copyright 2005 by Warner Todd Huston

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/huston/051119

[Marine_Uncle]

"I think I'm getting that "sometimers" disease.Sometimes I remember, and sometimes I don't! LOL."
Tis called living in America in the twenty first century with a bunch of detracting goons from the left. Hang in there.

[smoothsailing]

Thank you.:)

[gman992]

Hey, I'd rather be a chickenhawk...then an actually chicken.

[smoothsailing]

Hey np, this is a pretty good article. :)

[Wild Irish Rogue]

" The media and dims talk about how the R's are "besmirching" a war hero.What nonsense.Have you heard them even mention the fact that Duncan Hunter is a Vietnam combat veteran? "

Last night the scumbags on the Democrat side of the aisle ( and it was more than one person ) hissed and booed when the chair asked that Sam Johnson, a Vietnam POW for 7 years- be given an 3 extra minutes to finish his speech.
I think the past year and especially the last few months have finally driven a stake into that ridiculous notion that " Democrats support the troops."
Democrats support Al Queda, is more like it.
Joe Lieberman is the only Democrat who understands the WOT and has respect for the military.

[stocksthatgoup]

Considering we have disposed of two authoritarian governments, allowed 50 million people to create a new constituion, knocked off the 5th largest military in the world on their home turf, enabled free elections, prevented Libya from securing nukes, rebuilt large amounts of infrastructure including schools, electricity, oil wells, medical facilities and more. All this with the loss of less than 10,000 Coalition livesl is nothing short of Amazing. Mistakes? God, I hope we continue to fail so successfully.

[brytlea]

I think the past year and especially the last few months have finally driven a stake into that ridiculous notion that " Democrats support the troops."

Perhaps no one thought to ask them which troops they supported?

susie

[brytlea]

Interestingly, the press is giving a pass to all of the liberals I hear saying that there is something about the Iraqi people that makes it impossible for them to grasp the concept of and live under a deomcratic govt. In a different circumstance, if a conservative said that we would be called racists.
susie

[popdonnelly]

Some people's idea of bravery is to call someone else a chickenhawk.

[nopardons]

Many thanks...I'll read it later. Have to get ready to go out to dinner now. :-)

[brazzaville]

Good afternoon.
"Have you heard them even mention the fact that Duncan Hunter is a Vietnam combat veteran?"

I watched all of the discussion and I was struck by how many Republican reps are former Infantry, Ranger, or Airborne.

It made me feel warm and fuzzy knowing they are on our side, though being a vet is not necessarily an indication of intelligence and high moral standards.

Michael Frazier

[brazzaville]

Good afternoon.
"Murtha is either senile, or Pelosi and the Dem leadership made some big promises to get him to speak out like this."

Don't forget all those FBI files.

Michael Frazier

[Jonah Johansen]

1. The instant, I first heard the phrase "Chicken Hawk", I immediately recognized it as a moronic logical fallacy.

2. Anyone who uses this phrase (or the associated assertion) in an argument, self identifies themselves as either an idiot or a liar.

3. When you catch a liberal using this, you can and should make a total fool of them.

4. Since this is part of the left's catechism you should have plenty opportunities.

5. If possible humiliate the liberal in front of as many witnesses as possible.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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Footprint of THE American Hero:


RICK RESCORLA, R.I.P.

http://www.RickRescorla.com

http://www.strategyzoneonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361

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I saw that portion with Sam Johnson.

For the Democrats to think that their juvenile vileness whould have any effect on a man such as Sam, is all the proof I'll ever need of the vacumn between their ears and the hollowness of their hearts.

Sam, as we would expect, showed dignity and honor in the way he handled it.To him,they were as insignificant as a fly buzzing past.

[Rudder]

God forbid a man as vain and self-promoting as General George A. Custer would have become president in 1776 as he planned to do.

George A. Custer 1839-1876

Now just how did Custer plan to do this since he died 100 years after 1776?

[smoothsailing]

The Way-Back Machine!

(It was all the rage in the 1800's,don't you remember?)

:)

[smoothsailing]

The Rookies

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When it comes to pulling congressional stunts,

We can see who are champs and who are the runts.

Team captains like Reid and those other fool wusses

Are like Nagin in N'awlins: they missed their own busses.

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By the time they discover that they're in a rout,

The game is all over, the team bus has pulled out.

So their players are outraged, Pelosi is pissed,

The only Marine that they like has been thoroughly dissed.

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And while Republican players are smirking and gloating,

Second-string Kerry decries Murtha's Swift-boating,

A stunt that got John boy kicked out of the game,

By proving his play stats were doctored and lame.

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It hurts to admit it, but here's the straight skinny:

One honest Dem player is Cynthia McKinney,

Who true to her heart, which is Red to the core,

Voted boldly but badly to cut and run from this war.

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While her timorous teammates who trash-talked so loud,

When faced with the game play, got lost in the crowd.

The Dems' rookie captains are showing fatigue;

Will their fans ever see they're playing out of their league?

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Russ Vaughn is the Poet Laureate of The American Thinker

[OldEagle]

I think the entire Murtha episode shows how naive, inept and desperate the Dems have become. They apparently chose Murtha to make the pull-out statement confident that his decorations made him immune to criticism.
Murtha might be any number of things, including stupid. I think he was talked in to taking one for the party since he probably won't run again. If this is true where are his values?

[nopardons]

WOW...that's very well done doggerel!