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Chickenhawk talk is unAmerican..Murtha's astonishing lack of knowledge
Renew America ^ | 11-19-05 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 11/19/2005 12:11:07 PM PST by smoothsailing

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To: pankot
Me thinks Hitlary has some FBI files on Murtha.

That or photos of him with a young boy.

21 posted on 11/19/2005 12:48:27 PM PST by JOE6PAK ("We'll be Heironymus Bosch in Jest a Minute, but Faust...")
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To: chgomac
You have definitely put the "Murtha Plan" in it's proper perspective.

As an aside, the dims don't care about Murtha's previous military service.They secretly loathe him for it.To them, he's just a useful tool.

The media and dims talk about how the R's are "besmirching" a war hero.What nonsense.Have you heard them even mention the fact that Duncan Hunter is a Vietnam combat veteran?

22 posted on 11/19/2005 12:52:25 PM PST by smoothsailing (540th TC (AM)(GS) QuiNhon 68-69)
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To: smoothsailing
But, the whole claim that one should never discuss matters military unless they have served in the military themselves is the worst red-herring, most spurious straw-man argument......

Last month was the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar when Horatio Nelson used the unorthodox tactic of breaking the enemy's line of battle instead of following the entrenched "line ahead" tactics that the Royal Navy had used religiously for over a century but was by then outmoded and which had contributed greatly to the British defeat at Chesapeake Bay.

Nelson was not the first to use that new tactic. It was first used in the British victory at the Battle of the Saints in 1782 by Admiral Rodney.

Rodney, however, did not invent the tactic. The tactic was first proposed to British naval circles in January, 1780 by a certain John Clerk of Eldin, Scotland, a civilian who had never heard a shot fired in anger, had never even been to sea and who had worked out his naval tactical theories based solely on his readings, sailing a small boat in protected waters and working out his naval tactics with tabletop ship models.

23 posted on 11/19/2005 12:53:07 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Fruitbat

The Murtha principle...imagine if it were applied elsewhere?


>>>Peaceniks would keep their mouths shut about war.


>>>Ted Kennedy and Murtha would keep their mouths shut about private enterprise, since each has spent their entire life on a public teat.


>>>If you've never been on welfare, you don't have an opinion about it.


>>>If you've never been gay, you have no opinion about gay marriage.


Dick Cheney is much more qualified, as a result of his public servive, to talk about the military than Murtha. His past aside, he's talking out his @SS and should shut up soon.


24 posted on 11/19/2005 12:56:04 PM PST by gogeo (Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
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To: smoothsailing

Thanks for posting this. It put into words the discomfort I have been feeling whenever anyone suggests that only those who have actually been to war should make war policy.

susie


25 posted on 11/19/2005 12:57:11 PM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracty theorist....really.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; All
ROFLOL!

Somebody please photoshop Murtha's head on this.No, better yet, have both heads on it!

26 posted on 11/19/2005 12:57:15 PM PST by smoothsailing (540th TC (AM)(GS) QuiNhon 68-69)
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To: Fruitbat

Is this a-hole up for reelection in '06???


27 posted on 11/19/2005 1:04:51 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Fruitbat
One thing I truly admire about W's war leadership is that he openly admits that his decisions are the result of the assessments of his military leaders on the ground.

That, in turn, gains him the respect of our forces.He's my kind of CIC.

28 posted on 11/19/2005 1:07:23 PM PST by smoothsailing (540th TC (AM)(GS) QuiNhon 68-69)
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To: smoothsailing

I believe they may loathe Murtha's military service.....but without a doubt they despise the military and they prove it with every demeaning comment, demoralizing story and defeatist tactic they can find to hurt our troops.


29 posted on 11/19/2005 1:09:13 PM PST by chgomac
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To: Marine_Uncle
Exactly.When W volounteered for Nam the 102's were being phased out.There wasn't enough time left in W's enlistment to transition to the 105(I think it was the 105,have I got that right?)
30 posted on 11/19/2005 1:13:21 PM PST by smoothsailing (540th TC (AM)(GS) QuiNhon 68-69)
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To: smoothsailing

I have read that Murtha was against the Bosnia mission.


31 posted on 11/19/2005 1:16:54 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: smoothsailing
There is something else that I never hear mentioned when talking about Cheney. His resume makes him INFINITELY more qualified to discuss matters military than does Murtha's resume make him qualified.
32 posted on 11/19/2005 1:21:21 PM PST by stevem
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To: smoothsailing

Yeah, he does it as one should. Let those with the knowledge and training do the job. You know Congress however, they all think they're God's right hand man.

That's a lot of "right hands."


33 posted on 11/19/2005 1:26:43 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: brytlea
My pleasure,susie.

It has always irritated me.For Murtha to even imply that a combat veteran is more qualified than any other American to talk of war is the height of arrogance.

By Murtha's standard I am qualified but you are not.What a pompous perogative.It is a direct affront to the First Amendment.

Why do we fight? Why did I fight? Among other reasons, we fight to protect our rights as a free people.

So all Americans can openly express themselves without fear.

Murtha,sadly,has forgotten what it means to be a Marine.

34 posted on 11/19/2005 1:28:56 PM PST by smoothsailing (540th TC (AM)(GS) QuiNhon 68-69)
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To: smoothsailing
"(I think it was the 105,have I got that right?)"
F105's and F106's where already in service during that period of time. The F106 replaced the F102 rule as an intercept plateform. The F105 thud as you remember was not an intercepter but a fighter bomber by design.
So technically the answer would be that the F102 was simply at the end of it's service life as a front line intercepter. And as you are well aware the few F100's that where used in NAM where not used as the main Airforce fighter, nor where the F5's for that matter. The rule went to the F4 Phantom for the Airforce and the F8 Crusaders and F4 Phantomm for the Navy and Marines, with the F105 for the Airforce being the primary fighter bomber, and for the Navy both the F4 Phantom and Douglas A4 Skyhawk playing the rule of fighter bombers. And of course the Airforce using a few old F-101 Vodoos for recon flights of various sorts.

In any case GWB was simply not in the loop for active duty unless he would have somehow gotten into the Airforce and retrained in most probably an F4 Phantom.
That perhaps is a bit more verbose then what you asked for conformation, but that is my take on it.

35 posted on 11/19/2005 1:33:11 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: smoothsailing

Murtha is either senile, or Pelosi and the Dem leadership made some big promises to get him to speak out like this. Either way, his conduct is despicable and reprehensible and a stain on his previous service.


36 posted on 11/19/2005 1:35:03 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Frank_2001

He's a Congressman, so yes. Has to run every two years. Senators serve for six years.


37 posted on 11/19/2005 1:39:01 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Marine_Uncle
Thanks for setting me straight!

I think I'm getting that "sometimers" disease.Sometimes I remember, and sometimes I don't! LOL.

38 posted on 11/19/2005 1:39:27 PM PST by smoothsailing (540th TC (AM)(GS) QuiNhon 68-69)
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To: smoothsailing

First, thank you for your service. MY FIL was a marine pilot. My Dad was Air Force. I've never heard either of them say only people like them are qualified to make policy. God Bless all of our vets and current military personel who have made it possible for ME to express my opinion, especially in the voting booth!
:)
susie


39 posted on 11/19/2005 1:43:35 PM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracty theorist....really.)
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To: Rummyfan
It must be the dems who've bought his soul.I can't believe that even a senile Marine would turn against the Corps.
40 posted on 11/19/2005 1:44:17 PM PST by smoothsailing (540th TC (AM)(GS) QuiNhon 68-69)
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