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Lawmakers Reject Immediate Iraq Withdrawal
BREITBART.COM ^ | Nov 18 | LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 11/18/2005 11:26:15 PM PST by rvoitier

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To: Candor7

I am writing to Veterans in Pennsylvania to express sympathy for having coward in Congress. Address for these:

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Also write in request for expulsion of Mrutha from VFW:

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AMVETS APPLAUDS HOUSE FOR FLAG SUPPORT

WASHINGTON, June 4—House passage today of a bill to outlaw desecration of the U.S. flag was hailed as “the first step toward returning the American people’s right to protect their flag” by the nation’s fourth largest veterans service organization.

Calling the 300-125 vote in favor of a constitutional amendment to protect the flag “the right thing to do,” AMVETS National Commander W.G. “Bill” Kilgore had high praise for supporters of the amendment. “This vote recognizes that the flag embodies the liberties we cherish as free Americans, and with the President’s support it raises the hope that the Senate will follow suit and give us all a chance to finally put things back into place. I applaud the House action.”

The House measure, H.J. Res. 4, was introduced January 7 by Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham (R-50-CA). Its wording states that “Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.”

This bill received strong opposition from Rep. John Murtha (D-12-PA) as "unbelievable intrusion into freedom of speech for protestors."

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61 posted on 11/19/2005 6:42:23 AM PST by Nickey (Loose Lips Sink Ships.)
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To: Stayingawayfromthedarkside
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/pa12_murtha/pr051117iraq.html

Congressman John Murtha Representing the 12th District of Pennsylvania
For Immediate Release
November 17, 2005
     
     

The Honorable John P. Murtha
War in Iraq

     
     
     

(Washington D.C.)- The war in Iraq is not going as advertised.  It is a flawed policy wrapped in illusion.  The American public is way ahead of us.   The United States and coalition troops have done all they can in Iraq, but it is time for a change in direction.  Our military is suffering.  The future of our country is at risk.  We can not continue on the present course.   It is evident that continued military action in Iraq is not in the best interest of the United States of America, the Iraqi people or the Persian Gulf Region. 

General Casey said in a September 2005 Hearing, “the perception of occupation in Iraq is a major driving force behind the insurgency.”  General Abizaid said on the same date, “Reducing the size and visibility of the coalition forces in Iraq is a part of our counterinsurgency strategy.” 

For 2 ½ years I have been concerned about the U.S. policy and the plan in Iraq.  I have addressed my concerns with the Administration and the Pentagon and have spoken out in public about my concerns.  The main reason for going to war has been discredited.  A few days before the start of the war I was in Kuwait – the military drew a red line around Baghdad and said when U.S. forces cross that line they will be attacked by the Iraqis with Weapons of Mass Destruction – but the US forces said they were prepared.  They had well trained forces with the appropriate protective gear. 

We spend more money on Intelligence than all the countries in the world together, and more on Intelligence than most countries GDP.  But the intelligence concerning Iraq was wrong.  It is not a world intelligence failure.  It is a U.S. intelligence failure and the way that intelligence was misused.

I have been visiting our wounded troops at Bethesda and Walter Reed hospitals almost every week since the beginning of the War.   And what demoralizes them is going to war with not enough troops and equipment to make the transition to peace; the devastation caused by IEDs; being deployed to Iraq when their homes have been ravaged by hurricanes; being on their second or third deployment and leaving their families behind without a network of support.  

The threat posed by terrorism is real, but we have other threats that cannot be ignored.  We must be prepared to face all threats.   The future of our military is at risk.  Our military and their families are stretched thin.  Many say that the Army is broken.  Some of our troops are on their third deployment. Recruitment is down, even as our military has lowered its standards.   Defense budgets are being cut.  Personnel costs are skyrocketing, particularly in health care.  Choices will have to be made.  We can not allow promises we have made to our military families in terms of service benefits, in terms of their health care, to be negotiated away.  Procurement programs that ensure our military dominance cannot be negotiated away.  We must be prepared.  The war in Iraq has caused huge shortfalls at our bases in the U.S. 
Much of our ground equipment is worn out and in need of either serious overhaul or replacement.  George Washington said, “To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace.”  We must rebuild our Army.   Our deficit is growing out of control.  The Director of the Congressional Budget Office recently admitted to being “terrified” about the budget deficit in the coming decades.  This is the first prolonged war we have fought with three years of tax cuts, without full mobilization of American industry and without a draft.  The burden of this war has not been shared equally; the military and their families are shouldering this burden. 

Our military has been fighting a war in Iraq for over two and a half years.  Our military has accomplished its mission and done its duty.    Our military captured Saddam Hussein, and captured or killed his closest associates.  But the war continues to intensify.  Deaths and injuries are growing, with over 2,079 confirmed American deaths.   Over 15,500 have been seriously injured and it is estimated that over 50,000 will suffer from battle fatigue.  There have been reports of at least 30,000 Iraqi civilian deaths.

I just recently visited Anbar Province Iraq in order to assess the conditions on the ground.  Last May 2005, as part of the Emergency Supplemental Spending Bill, the House included the Moran Amendment, which was accepted in Conference, and which required the Secretary of Defense to submit quarterly reports to Congress in order to more accurately measure stability and security in Iraq.  We have now received two reports.  I am disturbed by the findings in key indicator areas.  Oil production and energy production are below pre-war levels.  Our reconstruction efforts have been crippled by the security situation.  Only $9 billion of the $18 billion appropriated for reconstruction has been spent.  Unemployment remains at about 60 percent.  Clean water is scarce.  Only $500 million of the $2.2 billion appropriated for water projects has been spent.  And most importantly, insurgent incidents have increased from about 150 per week to over 700 in the last year.  Instead of attacks going down over time and with the addition of more troops, attacks have grown dramatically.  Since the revelations at Abu Ghraib, American casualties have doubled.    An annual State Department report in 2004 indicated a sharp increase in global terrorism.

I said over a year ago, and now the military and the Administration agrees, Iraq can not be won “militarily.”  I said two years ago, the key to progress in Iraq is to Iraqitize, Internationalize and Energize.  I believe the same today.  But I have concluded that the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq is impeding this progress.  

Our troops have become the primary target of the insurgency.  They are united against U.S. forces and we have become a catalyst for violence.  U.S. troops are the common enemy of the Sunnis, Saddamists and foreign jihadists.  I believe with a U.S. troop redeployment, the Iraqi security forces will be incentivized to take control.   A poll recently conducted shows that over 80% of Iraqis are strongly opposed to the presence of coalition troops, and about 45% of the Iraqi population believe attacks against American troops are justified.  I believe we need to turn Iraq over to the Iraqis. 
I believe before the Iraqi elections, scheduled for mid December, the Iraqi people and the emerging government must be put on notice that the United States will immediately redeploy.  All of Iraq must know that Iraq is free.  Free from United States occupation.  I believe this will send a signal to the Sunnis to join the political process for the good of a “free” Iraq. 

My plan calls: 

To immediately redeploy U.S. troops consistent with the safety of U.S. forces. 
To create a quick reaction force in the region.
To create an over- the- horizon presence of Marines. 
To diplomatically pursue security and stability in Iraq 

This war needs to be personalized.  As I said before I have visited with the severely wounded of this war.  They are suffering.


Because we in Congress are charged with sending our sons and daughters into battle, it is our responsibility, our OBLIGATION to speak out for them.  That’s why I am speaking out. 

Our military has done everything that has been asked of them, the U.S. can not accomplish anything further in Iraq militarily.  IT IS TIME TO BRING THEM HOME. 

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62 posted on 11/19/2005 6:50:58 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Nickey

I agree and will. Murtha is aiding and abbeting our enemies.


63 posted on 11/19/2005 9:11:08 AM PST by JOE43270 (JOE43270 America voted and said we are One Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice for All.)
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To: OldFriend
Murtha also said that VICTORY is not an exit strategy. Do you think they're all insane, or are they just drunk?

Victory is the only exit strategy.

They are drunk with insanity.

64 posted on 11/19/2005 9:15:04 AM PST by Samwise (The media is "stuck on stupid.")
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To: rvoitier
It was obvious in Murtha's speech that when he said, "Our troops have become the enemy", he meant that a significant percentage of ordinary Iraqis view them that way.

Given that polls show this to be the case and that there is obviously some popular support for the insurgency, it is disingenuous to foam at the mouth about Murtha's remark.

65 posted on 11/19/2005 9:33:16 AM PST by wideminded
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To: wideminded
Naw, it's not obvious.

I checked in the mirror...no foam. :-)

66 posted on 11/19/2005 9:58:35 AM PST by rvoitier ("Hug your babies tight"--Luanne Platter)
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To: wideminded
You can nuance and spin it all you want. What is obvious is that Murtha said:

"Our troops have become the enemy."

Two questions:

1. How do you think that affects the morale of our troops?

2. How do you think that affects the morale of the terrorists?

67 posted on 11/19/2005 10:04:03 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: wideminded
It was obvious in Murtha's speech that when he said, "Our troops have become the enemy", he meant that a significant percentage of ordinary Iraqis view them that way.
Given that polls show this to be the case and that there is obviously some popular support for the insurgency, it is disingenuous to foam at the mouth about Murtha's remark.

this is the article Murtha is quoting. Would you please show me the Guardians source for this information other then ‘British officers’

There are no other polls that show anything like this and no other news out let has reported any statistics this bad. If you have something please show it. Other wise Murtha is just a useful idiot.

68 posted on 11/20/2005 2:53:30 AM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
no other news out let has reported any statistics this bad.

The Telegraph (UK) claims to have seen a private poll conducted by the UK Ministry of Defense: link. The statistics from this poll have been quoted in articles from many other news outlets.

According to this page, the Telegraph is a conservative paper. Of course in British politics the Conservative Party opposes Tony Blair.

69 posted on 11/20/2005 4:25:37 PM PST by wideminded
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To: wideminded

those really are depressing numbers. I sure hope they are not accurate.


70 posted on 11/20/2005 6:20:53 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: JCEccles

Now that Murtha says that the troops are the enemy, I see that a college professor is teaching that the troops should be shot. Maybe Murtha can help solve the situation by having our troops all killed in Iraq so withdrawal is not so much a worry for cowards like him. The Democrats will be so proud of their own traitor.

If ONE troop is shot in Iraq, EXPEL Murtha from Congress and put him on trial for murder.


71 posted on 11/21/2005 5:05:17 PM PST by Nickey (Loose Lips Sink Ships.)
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To: JOE43270

At least Murtha washes clean on civilian vetting of Pentagon espionage. Other sources show Congress with internal leaks to Iranian agents.


72 posted on 03/11/2006 12:34:52 AM PST by Nickey (Loose Lips Sink Ships.)
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