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1 posted on 11/17/2005 9:41:30 PM PST by truthfinder9
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YEC SPOTREP


2 posted on 11/17/2005 9:52:35 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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Intelligent Design is not science, but a guiding philosophical framework for scientific discovery. The opposition to ID is not therefore science itself, but the philosophical framework of Materialism. To believe one over the other means you look at certain scientific discoveries as "exceptions" and others as the "rule". As far as evolution is concerned, the only reason why it is at the center instead of Materialism, is because of the religious and philosophical nature of extensions to evolution.

Each philosophical worldview must explain origins and ultimate destinations of humanity. Materialism clings on to evolution for the origin of humanity, and its close cousin abiogenesis (primordial soup) for the origin of life. Multiverse theory even attempts to go on and similarly explain the origin of the universe itself. It also at the same time dictates ultimate destinations being not an afterlife, but a nihilistic nothingness. Since this directly contradicts the majority of western beliefs (monotheistic creator, heaven and hell destination), there is a battle. However the battle is mistakenly between a philosophy, and a theory more narrow than what most people believe in the first place.

If evolution was only taught as pre-existing species changing over generations due to environmental factors, I don't think there would be much of a debate. However, it is taught as human origins, life origins (primordial soup) and intrinsicly the ultimate destination of nothing after you die. That is not evolution, it is a Materialist philosophy tagged as science. And if people were really interested in separating religion from government, then they would not approve of any discussion of such things, other than maybe in a debate class.


3 posted on 11/17/2005 10:01:54 PM PST by dan1123
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How about a touch of both?


4 posted on 11/17/2005 10:05:22 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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Is ID a political or religious theory? The IDists have answered this: It is political: their goals are set out in their infamous "wedge strategy" that was leaked in 1999. And supported by more that $30 million dollars since then.

*Governing Goals

To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural and political legacies.
To replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and human beings are created by God.

Five Year Goals
To see intelligent design theory as an accepted alternative in the sciences and scientific research being done from the perspective of design theory.
To see the beginning of the influence of design theory in spheres other than natural science.
To see major new debates in education, life issues, legal and personal responsibility pushed to the front of the national agenda.

Twenty Year Goals
To see intelligent design theory as the dominant perspective in science.
To see design theory application in specific fields, including molecular biology, biochemistry, paleontology, physics and cosmology in the natural sciences, psychology, ethics, politics, theology and philosophy in the humanities; to see its influence in the fine arts.
To see design theory permeate our religious, cultural, moral, and political life.
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Pat Robertson just this week said: "I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover. If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected Him from your city. And don't wonder why He hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for His help because he might not be there."


12 posted on 11/17/2005 11:58:39 PM PST by thomaswest (Just Curious)
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"But it doesn't take much dowsing with ID literature to know that it does make testable predictions and it does have a research base (see also Dembski's 2003 ID FAQ)."

Can you tell us one testable prediction that ID makes?
13 posted on 11/18/2005 2:01:17 AM PST by MHalblaub (Tell me in four more years (No, I did not vote for Kerry))
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Remember when the CDC issued some edict on gun control? Did any scientific organization object? How about schools that have "gay-straight"alliances based on the claim that all homosexuality is biological? Where is the outcry from the science groups?

The certainty of the "population bomb" was taught to me in high school without any establishment group objecting.

The opposition to ID is not about science but the establishment of atheism and the values of utilitarianism.

19 posted on 11/18/2005 8:48:01 AM PST by Tribune7
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"Against what other theory do science organizations release condemning press edicts?"

The "debate" stops right here. ID is not a theory, it is a hypothesis.

30 posted on 11/23/2005 3:03:18 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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Every major scientific organization in the United States has issued a statement opposing intelligent design as non-scientific and denying any debate over the validity of evolution.

Every major scientific organization in the United States believes that the Earth revolves around the Sun. Is that political too?

32 posted on 11/23/2005 3:24:11 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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