Is opposition to ID based upon science or politics?

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2005/11/is_opposition_to_id_politicall_1.html#more ^

[truthfinder9]

Super Brain,

The books detail a testable ID creation model. I know you think science can be explained in a couple talking points, but in the real world you have to make more of an effort.

[truthfinder9]

Well Brain,

The global flood is part of young-earth pseudoscience. Virtuall all ID proponents don't care for young-earth and its related fallacies. I know the leaders at the Darwin Fundies Institute want the world to believe ID is YECism repackaged, but if you actually read the works of ID leaders like Dembski, Behe, Ross, Johnson, Wells, et al, you'd know that they all dislike YECism.

Why the Global Flood is Not the Literal Interpretation of the Bible and Doesn't have any Scientific Evidence So keep on believing what the Darwin Fundies tell you.

[truthfinder9]

"We don't no the answers and we will never try to understand something because ID-FSM-god-aliens is the answer to all of our questions!" Boy, is your thinking shallow, this is a verbatim Darwin Fundie talking point. You Darwin Fundies have no problem saying science proves there is no God, but when other scientists say the opposite you pretend they are doing it because of a lack of understanding. Wow, no wonder people think Darwinism is a joke.

[RogueIsland]

You Darwin Fundies have no problem saying science proves there is no God

The Theory of Evolution has nothing whatsoever to say on the subject of the existence or non-existence of any deity. If you have information to the contrary, please post the relevant cite from the academic paper on Evolutionary Theory that makes this claim.

[Coyoteman]

Thank you for the interesting link. I have added that to my collection.

My point was if people want "critical thinking" in schools, then everything, including some cherished religious beliefs, may be examined as well.

So keep on believing what the Darwin Fundies tell you.

What do you mean? I am one of those Fundies. I did human osteology and fossil man as two of four fields for my Ph.D. exams.

[N. Theknow]

How about a touch of both?

Intelligent Evolution by Design.

[truthfinder9]

The Theory of Evolution has nothing whatsoever to say on the subject of the existence or non-existence of any deity.

Then why do Darwin Fundie Leaders like Dawkins and Eugenie Scott constantly use evolution to support their anti-god beliefs? And since when are academic papers the decide all?

Most scientific papers are probably wrong

[dervish]

So what does Evolution anticipate? What does it predict is coming next, you know, after man?

[MHalblaub]

"Super Brain,

The books detail a testable ID creation model. I know you think science can be explained in a couple talking points, but in the real world you have to make more of an effort."


I read very short descriptions of string theory, theory of general relativity and theory of quantum mechanics. You won't understand the whole thing through these summaries but you know the main declaration of these theories even if you won't understand the meaning. But there are some really thick books you can read about these topics.

Your are not able to summarize a testable prediction out of a book?

"Super Brain"!

[muir_redwoods]

"Against what other theory do science organizations release condemning press edicts?"

The "debate" stops right here. ID is not a theory, it is a hypothesis.

[MHalblaub]

"Boy, is your thinking shallow, this is a verbatim Darwin Fundie talking point."

It's not only a Darwin Fundie position, it's a Science Fundie position.


"You Darwin Fundies have no problem saying science proves there is no God, but when other scientists say the opposite you pretend they are doing it because of a lack of understanding."

Science doesn't follow the hubris of trying to explain when and how god acts. Therefore science excludes any kind of supernatural beings as a useful answer for science until science is able to predict the will of a supernatural being.

When you throw a stone into water science can give you the answers about how the stone will fly in the air, what kind of waves the impact will create and how fast the stone will sink to the ground. Science will never try to explain an angel passing by catching the stone while flying and carrying it away to an island.

[Non-Sequitur]

Every major scientific organization in the United States has issued a statement opposing intelligent design as non-scientific and denying any debate over the validity of evolution.

Every major scientific organization in the United States believes that the Earth revolves around the Sun. Is that political too?

[RogueIsland]

Every major scientific organization in the United States believes that the Earth revolves around the Sun. Is that political too?

Those heliocentrists are Nazis who are stifling academic freedom! A bunch of Copernicus-worshiping Marxists the lot of them! And God-hating atheists to boot!