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Column: Indians don't care about Indian mascots
Indianz.com ^ | Thursday, November 17, 2005

Posted on 11/17/2005 9:24:16 AM PST by 11th_VA

"We've all heard the pleas for sports teams to leave behind the derisive nicknames of another era. And perhaps we can agree that there's little defense for some names. Take, for example, the Southeastern Oklahoma State University Savages. (Women's teams: the Lady Savages. I kid you not.)

But, wait: Turns out that the chief of the Choctaw Nation defends the Savages. Instead of ripping the college for insensitivity, tribal officials are proud of the name and emphasize the school's support for the quarter of its students who are Indians.

Sometimes when you look beyond the easy slogans of activists, you find something more interesting: Most people simultaneously cherish history and want to do the right thing.

Two major studies show that while activists are busy suing teams, many Indians take no offense. A survey of Indians conducted in 2002 for Sports Illustrated found that 81 percent don't think high school or college teams should drop Indian nicknames. Asked about the Redskins, 75 percent said the name doesn't offend them. Last year, the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Election Survey found that 90 percent of Indians did not consider "Redskins" offensive."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: Arizona; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: americanindians; indians; mascot; nativeamericans; pc; pcmadness
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THE RED MESA REDSKINS

1 posted on 11/17/2005 9:24:16 AM PST by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA

Well, DUH! It's not about the Indians......it's about the liberals!


2 posted on 11/17/2005 9:28:38 AM PST by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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3 posted on 11/17/2005 9:32:56 AM PST by 11th_VA (Geezee Freepin Peezee ...)
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To: 11th_VA

If Conservatives were to come out for a ban on Indian mascots because they keep the Indian cultures alive and we wish to assimilate Native Americans into American culture, Liberals would SCREAM that it amounted to cultural genocide and demand that ALL schools adopt an Indian mascot.....


4 posted on 11/17/2005 9:33:24 AM PST by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: Onelifetogive
Savages was defined as "People who don't have a written language" in a school book I owned dated about 1798.

We hear of "savages" in Africa and pay little attention.

Races were distguished by color and characteristics in this same book.

I believe the revival of Indian references was started circa 1930 (I think that's right) to "include" them in History.

5 posted on 11/17/2005 9:36:39 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: 11th_VA
I am Choctaw and from Oklahoma. However, first and foremost, I am an American. These mascots do not bother me at all...nor does it bother other Indians I know.

Also, looking at me you would never know I have Indian blood...somewhere along the line the white man infiltrated my people.....ha!ha! just kidding.

Proud American!

6 posted on 11/17/2005 9:50:17 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: yellowdoghunter

My younger brother was a Bacone Warrior (baseball) his first two years of college. Lots of Indians there, all seemingly proud of the mascot name.


7 posted on 11/17/2005 9:58:48 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: 11th_VA

Most Indians don't know what mascots are. Heck, most Indians don't even know what football, baseball, and other American sports are. Now if it was cricket....


8 posted on 11/17/2005 10:03:04 AM PST by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: yellowdoghunter

We have tons of Freepers with Indian blood. I would have it too but my people got here late in 1903. I see many rural people in the South who claim to be a bit Cherokee and they look it


9 posted on 11/17/2005 10:03:25 AM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: 11th_VA
the chief of the Choctaw Nation defends the Savages

The only problem I've ever had with the term 'savage' is once when I accidentally wandered into a gay bar ... a guy wearing cowboy boots and leather chaps called me a savage and tried to kiss me.

10 posted on 11/17/2005 10:04:56 AM PST by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: 11th_VA

Too late. The YMCA (Chicago Headquarters Parent/Child Programs - Barb Taylor, and Indianapolis CEO - Norris Lineweaver) already terminated the Indian Guides programs based on bogus complaint(s?) from liberals.


11 posted on 11/17/2005 10:06:16 AM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: 11th_VA

The Indian "activists" are on par with the NAACP. If the Indian "activists" were that interested in their fellow Indians, the reservations wouldn't be in the shape they're in today.


12 posted on 11/17/2005 10:06:54 AM PST by swmobuffalo (the only good terrorist is a dead one)
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To: 11th_VA

A lot of people don't mind the mascot names. Its just the people that have a cottage industry of going around complaining about everything.


13 posted on 11/17/2005 10:06:55 AM PST by oyez (Appeasement is death!)
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To: layman

Did you savage him?


14 posted on 11/17/2005 10:07:56 AM PST by oyez (Appeasement is death!)
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To: 11th_VA

But the activists will claim that if ONE Indian is offended, the names must go....


15 posted on 11/17/2005 10:11:13 AM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: 11th_VA
In the far north of Calif. in the county of Del Norte, the high school mascot is the "Warriors". The school has a high number of Indian students from the local tribes, Tolowa and Yurok. Liberals have got a few of the Indians worked up to change the name but the majority keep voting to stay with the Warriors name. Most whites and Indians alike in that area are not offended. Usually this comes up because some activists from out of town drop by to make trouble.
16 posted on 11/17/2005 10:21:30 AM PST by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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To: Bob J

Good one, lol.

You know, Ward Churchill is not going to like this article. But, since the University of Colorado is paying him about $94k to teach no classes this year, I guess he can't be too upset in general, even if he is not a real Indian.

Apparently the school has taken a page from the fed program that pays agri-biz not to grow certain crops, which are over-supplied because of fed subsidies...I'm getting headache now, see ya later.

Go Indians, Braves, Redskins, Chiefs, Seminoles, and so on...


17 posted on 11/17/2005 10:33:02 AM PST by SaxxonWoods
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To: oyez
Did you savage him?

I guess you could say that ... I tore off his right arm and beat him to death with it.

18 posted on 11/17/2005 10:34:58 AM PST by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: 11th_VA

"I'm okay with it . . . really."

19 posted on 11/17/2005 10:37:03 AM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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To: 11th_VA

I was amused, when the NCAA tried to enforce their ludicrous "no Indian mascots" rule on UNC-Pembroke, a university which was founded in 1887 to serve the Lumbee tribe. To make a long story short, UNC-Pembroke is keeping their "Braves" mascot.


20 posted on 11/17/2005 10:41:42 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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