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ADL Breaks With Pack On Church-State
The Jewish Week ^ | 11/11/2005 | James D. Besser

Posted on 11/16/2005 12:18:01 PM PST by FFIGHTER

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To: FFIGHTER
This article completely mischaracterizes the ADL. It is a very effective Fabian Socialist operation, intended to marginalize American Jews and actually stir up the very things it claims to oppose. Can I prove that? Only by citing a consistent pattern over many decades. For more on its despicable tactics, see How To Recognize The Bigot In The Argument.

Of course, this uncalled for attack by Foxman on people of other Faiths is, itself, a perfect example of my point.

21 posted on 11/16/2005 12:45:51 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Kenton

Isn't he the same guy who said he was certain that "The Passion of the Christ" would lead to a horrific rise in anti- Semitic violence? Boy, he was sure right- on about that one, millions of Jews were attacked by people who were brainwashed by watching that film (Note the sarcasm in what I just said).
In either case, I'd agree with you guys. Christian Americans are about the best friends Jews have right now. Odd that he was focusing on how evil American Christians were while ignoring all the anti- Semitic violence performed by Palestinians.


22 posted on 11/16/2005 12:47:49 PM PST by Chewie84
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To: FFIGHTER
The conservative Christians he's so determined to attack are the same people who support the right of American Jews to worship God as they see fit and to enjoy full citizenship and equality under the law, privileges they don't enjoy in many other countries. We're also staunch supporters of Israel's right to exist, as opposed to Democrats, who back the Palestinians.

Christianity is routinely slandered, libeled, and repressed in the US by Democrats, and the only reason Judaism isn't in the same boat is that 80% of Jews vote Democrat, and the Democrats can't afford, for the moment, to lose their votes.

Foxman's anti-Christian bigotry apparently prevents him from distinguishing his friends from his enemies.

23 posted on 11/16/2005 12:51:48 PM PST by American Quilter
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To: mlc9852

Success. That is what is so scary about Christians. Success.


24 posted on 11/16/2005 1:04:51 PM PST by Juan Medén
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To: Uncledave
Well his solution to the so-called problem of Christian cultural assertiveness seems to be not to positively assert Jewish identity but to unify Jews only on the basis of opposing conservative Christianity.

I've often said that if Abe Foxman didn't exist, anti-Semites would have to invent him, since he aggressively personates every negative stereotype that anti-Semites associate with Jewish people.

25 posted on 11/16/2005 1:06:39 PM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: American Quilter

Christians in this country are the biggest supporters of Israel against all (and there are many) of their enemies. You would think they would appreciate us a little more.


26 posted on 11/16/2005 1:08:51 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
Can someone please explain to me what is so scary about Christians?

Limits. Morality. Decency. Responsibility. Goodness. Socialism and Communism cannot exist for long in a Christian society because they are based upon envy and theft. Therefore, Christianity must be destroyed for the new workers utopia to exist.
27 posted on 11/16/2005 1:32:07 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Uncledave

I am a Christian and I don't care at all about what Abe or any other leftist says. I will ignore him. Don't worry we're smarter than the MSM leads you to believe:)


28 posted on 11/16/2005 1:37:21 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Seaside

But he can't raise money if he can't yell 'anti-semite'. If he can turn evangelical Christians against Israel, he'll be set for life.


29 posted on 11/16/2005 1:46:26 PM PST by PAR35
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To: mlc9852

Can someone please explain to me what is so scary about Christians?
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Edvard Radzinsky in his book "Stalin" argues that while at one time Stalin hoped Jewish financial capital would help rebuild the Soviet Union after WWII, Stalin found the prospect of suborning himself to the Baruch Plan for world government anathema.

This refusal lead to a total break by Stalin who after fomenting the Doctor's plot hysteria and breaking off diplomatic relations with Israel, was within days of preparing to exile the Soviet Jews to the Gulag (as was done previously with various other ethnic minorities such as the Crimean Tatars, Chechens, etc.), and initiate another great purge along the lines of 1938 to once again prepare the Soviet Union for war.

The important thing to recall is that the Doctor's Plot happened at the same time as the McCarthy anti communist business from 1950-54

Stalin already had the concentration camps set up. And some of the preliminary accusations had gone out for the doctor's plot.

At the same time the Rosenburgs were tried and executed for treason in the USA--and this less than a decade after the Holocaust. This naturally caused fear and suspicion in the US Jewish community. This fear and suspicion was played upon by knowledgeable communists and leftists. These folk not only knew about what Stalin had done in the 1930's and was about to do with the doctor's plot but also saw the Rosenburg trials as show trials american style ... that is, a prelude to an american pogrom. What Stalin had planned to do -- in a brilliant piece of jujitsu -- leftists imputed to Americans on the right. Christians. But it was done soto voce. Basically a blood libel was perpetrated on Americans--especially conservative American Christians-- without their knowing it.

While the American public outside NY/LA were generally given the view that the McCarthy era was an age when innocent men were unjustly tried by suspicious anti semites like McCarthy & Nixon--the NY/LA Jewish establishment was given a different story. They were given to understand that the democrats/liberals had prevented the US from visiting a holocaust on them. And that therefor they owed their loyalty to the liberal democrats because the liberal democrats were the protectors of the Jews.

And this went on for decades after McCarthy. This is the meme that Mr. Foxman is trying to keep alive.

This dual track story line didn't crack until the early 1990's when the kgb/nkvd/gru opened up their files on the WWII-McCarthy Period. In 1995 the US's NSA agency opened up their Venona files. Both Russian and American spy agency files showed that McCarthy was right. The US government --as well as the Manhattan Project--had been at one time soaked with Russian Spies. The Rosenburgs were guilty.

Needless to say, an American style shoah was never in the cards.

The reason that hollywood hated Ronald Reagan so much was that he was an anti communist in hollywood during the McCarthy period.(He was among the first wave of FDR democrats to switch parties.) Reagan was blacklisted from Hollywood. He couldn't get work there after McCarthy. However, his experiences in Hollywood served him well when he went into public service. He always understood the jujitsu of media talk of the age. Something that cannot be said of Nixon.

Actor George Clooney's is directing a McCarthy topic film now open in theatres. The film called "Good Night and Good Luck", in which Clooney also stars, is a look at the impact of McCarthyism on 1950s America.


That Clooney should step up and take on this topic shows that he's either really bright or really stooopid.

I suspect the latter. But I'll never know for sure. Since I won't go see his movie. I went to "A Beautiful Mind" and came out of that movie spitting mad.

When I hear American based Moslems talking about McCarthyism being visited on them. I have to laugh. They don't know that they have pronounced themselves guilty in the eyes of many Americans.

Mr. Foxman should know better. He would if his actual theology was Jewish. But its not. Its atheist/socialist.




30 posted on 11/16/2005 2:01:00 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: Chewie84
Yeah, old Abe Foxman is just a shill for the extreme left, not a spokesman for Jews.

Just like the gender feminists who kept quiet about Clinton sexual predations, and the self-appointed liberal "black leaders" who will always support a Democrat, even if it means defaming other blacks as 'uncle Toms".

We've seen that most recently in the recent case of State Sen. Lisa A. Gladden, a black Baltimore Democrat, who said about her opposition to black Republican Michael S. Steele. "Party trumps race, especially on the national level,"

Thanks for the clarification Senator Gladden. You are a master of the obvious, and you make my point exactly.

Foxman doesn't really care about "the Jews". For him, politics trumps the well-being of the Jewish people.

What Abe cares about is world socialism, and anything that will advance it. And that means that he will gladly be the ally of people who support the mortal enemies of the Jews, the far left and their Islamist allies (who'd really, really like to make Jews so scared of American Christians that they stop paying so much attention to what the Muslims are up to).

31 posted on 11/16/2005 2:01:30 PM PST by Kenton (Muslims want to play by their own version of "girls' rules")
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To: ladyjane
And that is bad? Mighty non-Christian of him to be saying things like this.

Actually mighty anti-Christian of him to be saying that.

32 posted on 11/16/2005 2:53:05 PM PST by feedback doctor (Liberalism is like a religion - islam)
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To: FFIGHTER

the ADL is a bunch of effete Zimris that undermine Jewish Jews every chance they get.
Their brochures oppose school vouchers which the Gadolei Hador support.

They have always been more interested in getting a waelthy Zimri into a WASP country club than helping Jewish Jews.


33 posted on 11/16/2005 3:59:36 PM PST by avile
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To: Seaside
The atheist Marxist left hates God...naturally they hate Israel and those who love her...

And love those who hate God and Israel...and the U.S.A. for that matter.

Christians and Jews are in their crosshairs...the ironic thing is they claim to be atheists and Jews and even more Jewish amd pro Israel than the conservative Israeli Jews

The left in Israel is every bit as evil as the left in CONUS

imo

Like you said: "Go Figure"

34 posted on 11/16/2005 6:08:14 PM PST by joesnuffy
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To: edcoil
The ADL does not speak for Israel.
It is a socialist group that has been condemned by many Jews and Jewish groups including the Zionist Organiztion of America for its anti-Christian attitudes.
35 posted on 11/17/2005 10:23:46 AM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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