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Gay theology pioneer trusts 'God's shrewdness'
National Catholic Reporter ^ | November 2005 | Robert McClory

Posted on 11/16/2005 7:51:39 AM PST by irishboy

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To: irishboy
Thanks for posting this amazing article. It sheds a lot of light on the mentality of these people.

McNeill says he mistook the looks of sympathy from relatives and friends as accusations, as though he were somehow responsible for his mother’s death.

An important indicator of psychological problems is the complete inability to pick up on the emotions and sentiments of the people around you.

For many years after he would relate to God in fear, as the one who punished him by taking away his mother.

This is clearly a figment of his imagination - no one told him this.

married his wife’s sister, Katie, though they agreed to live as brother and sister, in keeping with an old Irish tradition, says McNeill.

Pathological liar, inventing traditions that never existed.

In 1942, he enlisted in the Army in what he describes as a government-sponsored hoax to nab 17-year-olds like himself

In other words, he is incapable of realizing, even after Pearl Harbor, that the Axis was a real threat to America. He believes that WWII was a "government-sponsored hoax".

This nutter is a complete, raving lunatic. A serious drooler.

21 posted on 11/16/2005 8:23:58 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: irishboy
Re: “As I see it,” says McNeill, “the whole trajectory of the church is toward the era of the Spirit, when each will know the truth in his heart and there will be no need for extrinsic authority.”

So, according to this guy it is actually "God's will" that we ignore "extrinsic authority" including God's directives in the Bible. Even though the Bible teaches against homosexual acts, one who "knows the truth in his heart" and ignores the Bible's teaching is actually more spiritual than someone who obeys the teachings. Sounds an awful lot like the refrain in the book of Judges: "Every man did that which was right in his own eyes".
22 posted on 11/16/2005 8:24:40 AM PST by Nevadan
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To: FourtySeven

3 words:

-Inquisition (in the inquiry meaning of the word, not the historically perverted term we now have)
-Interdict
-Excommunication


23 posted on 11/16/2005 8:26:16 AM PST by jcb8199
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To: irishboy

The Jesuits require a thorough housecleaning to bring back the charism of their founders, Loyola, Xavier, etc...


24 posted on 11/16/2005 8:31:17 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: irishboy
When The Church and the Homosexual was published in November 1976, its author, Jesuit Fr. John J. McNeill

He's teaching the Doctrines of Demons - prophesied over 2,000 years ago.
The Bible is never wrong. Amazing. I'm surprised every time it proves it self right, even though I shouldn't be.

25 posted on 11/16/2005 8:36:53 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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>>>McNeill says he mistook the looks of sympathy from relatives and friends as accusations, as though he were somehow responsible for his mother’s death.

An important indicator of psychological problems is the complete inability to pick up on the emotions and sentiments of the people around you.

This is also (I would argue mainly) the indicator of narcissism--it's all about HIM. Narcissism is one of the key features of homosexuality. Unless there is more to the story, why would his relatives cast accusatory glances? Did he push her down the stairs? Did he poison her soup? Or is he so wrapped up in himself that that is the only thing he could think of?
26 posted on 11/16/2005 8:45:24 AM PST by jcb8199
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To: irishboy
They’ve come to see church teaching on homosexuality as destroying their self-image, so they’ve had to take direct access to God, based on prayer, spirituality and freedom of conscience.”

Wow! Replace with Theivery, Murder, Adultery, the Church is just destroying self-image all over!(/sarcasm)

27 posted on 11/16/2005 8:48:20 AM PST by BoneHead (Cindy Who? Cindy Who? Cindy Who? Cindy Who? Cindy Who? Cindy Who?)
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To: irishboy; Tax-chick; TaxRelief; JohnnyZ

Apostasy knows no creative bounds.

Catholic homosexuals ping!


28 posted on 11/16/2005 8:50:37 AM PST by NCSteve
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To: FormerLib
"Fr. McNeill," he said, "you saved my life!"

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. (Matthew 23:15)

These guys should try reading the Bible, they might learn the danger they are in.

29 posted on 11/16/2005 8:51:43 AM PST by protest1
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He is 80 years old now and not as active as he once was. McNeill and his partner of nearly 40 years, Charles Chiarelli,

So he's an unrepentant faggot. That means he is neither Catholic nor Christian. Anything he says from that point on is very suspect.

“I’m really excited about what is going on,” he says. To explain this, he cites Jesus’ statement at the Last Supper: “It is much better for you that I go. If I fail to go, the Paraclete will never come to you, whereas if I go, I will send him to you … and he will guide you into all truth.”

“As I see it,” says McNeill, “the whole trajectory of the church is toward the era of the Spirit, when each will know the truth in his heart and there will be no need for extrinsic authority.”

No where does scripture support this argument

He is fascinated with the teaching of Joachim of Flora, a 12th-century visionary who spoke of three periods in Christian history: the era of the Father, that is, the period of the Old Testament; the era of the Son, during which the institutional church was developing; and the coming era of the Holy Spirit.

So apparently God the Father says that the practice of homosexuality is wrong. God the Son says that the practice of homosexuality is wrong. But God the Holy Spirit says that the practice of homosexuality is OK. So God doesn't agree with himself? This guy is flakey (But we already knew that)

“I think we’re moving into that era,” he said, and he sees the gay community as the vanguard.

And of course Pentecost never happened (yet) and the practice of homosexuality isn't really an abomination like God says it is.

“By being rejected by church leadership, gays and lesbians have had to ask God directly if they can live authentic Christian lives, and they are getting [positive] answers. They’ve come to see church teaching on homosexuality as destroying their self-image, so they’ve had to take direct access to God, based on prayer, spirituality and freedom of conscience.”

When you want approval to sin the father of lies is more than ready to give that approval. No where in the Bible does God give any weight or value to our own self-image. What is important is how He sees us, not how we see ourselves.

I'll admit I stopped reading at this point. The guy is just too perverted (in all ways) for me to stomache

30 posted on 11/16/2005 8:56:39 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: NCSteve
I'll have you know that we are Catholic heterosexuals!

This article was up some days ago ... what a total, unmitigated nutcase this person is.

31 posted on 11/16/2005 8:57:39 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Everything is either willed or permitted by God, and nothing can hurt me." Bl. Charles de Foucauld)
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To: Tax-chick

This so called "man of God" sounds more like a homo Scientologist. He thinks he has the power to tell God what is righteous, rather than the other way around.


32 posted on 11/16/2005 9:11:57 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: irishboy
“As I see it,” says McNeill, “the whole trajectory of the church is toward the era of the Spirit, when each will know the truth in his heart and there will be no need for extrinsic authority.”

Almost lutherian.

33 posted on 11/16/2005 9:21:22 AM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: concerned about politics
He thinks he has the power to tell God what is righteous, rather than the other way around.

That's a very insightful observation!

34 posted on 11/16/2005 9:34:56 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Everything is either willed or permitted by God, and nothing can hurt me." Bl. Charles de Foucauld)
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To: wideawake
This nutter is a complete, raving lunatic. A serious drooler.

And his heir apparent is no better:

a 62-year-old psychotherapist and professor of psychology at the University of West Georgia. Helminiak, author of What the Bible Really Says About Sexuality, is convinced the old biblical, theological and psychological disputes have now been resolved in favor of gay and lesbian relationships; he calls the evidence “incontrovertible.”
yeah, right.
The next step, he said, is “political,” that is, getting the Vatican to change its stance. He suspects this will be a long struggle. Meanwhile, he is concerned about helping gays “live with a profound spirituality,” and he thinks Catholicism, “with its tradition of grace building on nature” may be better equipped to do this than those strains of Protestantism that are obsessed with the depravity of human nature.

Even if we were obsessed with it, which we are not, this guy is living proof of it.

24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.

 25For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

 26For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,

 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

 29being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips,

 30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,

 31without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful;

 32and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

Some "profound spirituality".

Cordially,

35 posted on 11/16/2005 9:37:33 AM PST by Diamond (Qui liberatio scelestus trucido inculpatus.)
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To: Old Professer
"“As I see it,” says McNeill, “the whole trajectory of the church is toward the era of the Spirit, when each will know the truth in his heart and there will be no need for extrinsic authority.”

"Almost lutherian."

Luther recognized the absolute primacy of Scripture (Sola Scriptura). He did not ever claim to know "the truth in his heart." It is way too easy to deceive yourself that the Holy Spirit is telling you things you just want to hear. Biblical Scripture provided his "extrinsic authority" as it continues to do for faithful Lutherans today.

36 posted on 11/16/2005 10:01:07 AM PST by Irene Adler
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To: Irene Adler

I always find arguments about sola scriptura interesting, considering it is no where in the Bible...


37 posted on 11/16/2005 10:25:54 AM PST by jcb8199
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To: concerned about politics

Not to belittle the subject (which I find appalling), but you really should offer more credible links than WorldNutDaily.


38 posted on 11/16/2005 10:27:59 AM PST by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: Tax-chick
I'll have you know that we are Catholic heterosexuals!

I'm so ashamed. That kind of linguistic imprecision on my part has my poor Mother rolling in her grave.

39 posted on 11/16/2005 10:55:20 AM PST by NCSteve
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To: jcb8199

It doesn't need to be in the Bible. Scripture is the only documented basis for Christianity. If we do not refer to Scripture when making religious judgements, we are not all on the same page, and we run the risk of creatintg our own do-it-yourself Christianity which practice is clearly not at all uncommon today. Why would you expect the phrase "Sola Scriptura", itself, to be in the Bible, anyway?


40 posted on 11/16/2005 10:56:55 AM PST by Irene Adler
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