Ultra-sensitive microscope reveals DNA processes

New Scientist ^ | November 15, 2005 | Gaia [sic] Vince

[grey_whiskers]

Snowflakes Prove that GOD exists and interacts with His creation.

I prefer Benjamin Franklin as attributed:

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." :-)

and my corollary:

"Hangovers prove we are a fallen race." :-(

[grey_whiskers]

A c++ programmer!

Fortran forever!

...oh, and vi too. :-)

[longshadow]

The current situation just isn't interesting at all.

Roughly as interesting as watching a drunk trying to cross a busy intersection, and for the same reason.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

How about this ?

"Perhaps in matters of formal logic, yes, arguments from incredulity hold no water. But science is not pure, formal logic, nor does it need to use formal logic in order to be "scientific."

And then,

"Much good science is born of hunches, as well as logical fallacies."

Uncle Fester is a well that never runs dry. :)

[ml1954]

The chip sets in your computer don't add to your knowledge of the universe?

When my lab partner dropped our photographically etched silicon wafer attempt to create a diode ( required to get credit in this semiconductor EE class ), and it disintegrated in the ultrasound bath and we had to start all over again, I didn't think it added significantly to my knowledge of the universe, but it did add to my knowledge.

[grey_whiskers]

Nice cherry picking on Hitler.

But if you actually dig a bit deeper, you'll run into other stuff...

The quote "One is either a German or a Christian, you cannot be both" (which the Brits turned into a propaganda poster juxtaposed with a photo of bombed-out city buildings...)

The contents of some Nazi-era school textbooks, with nice lines like "Jesus and Hitler were both persecuted; but while Jesus was crucified, Hitler went on to become chancellor"

The persecution of the Jews (read up on the Old Testament promises to Abraham about how God expected the Jews to be treated; or the New Testament writings of Paul about the Jews being subjected to a temporary hardening of their hearts, in order that God show mercy on goyim as well :-)

etc.

The cheap shots are unbecoming of you...

Cheers!

[longshadow]

They're good, but they lack the pithy punch of "wildly elliptical planetary orbits" or "proving the Pythgorean Theory"....

It's truly an art form to cram so much that is so wrong into so few words.

[grey_whiskers]

with any of these 700+ standard creationist flawed claims about evolutionary biology, we've seen those a thousand times already.

700 x 1000 = 7.0 x 10⁵

How much time do you spend on these threads?

[Dimensio]

The quote "One is either a German or a Christian, you cannot be both" (which the Brits turned into a propaganda poster juxtaposed with a photo of bombed-out city buildings...)

Keep in mind that there is quite a bit of contention regarding the accuracy of much of the research on Hitler by the man who quoted Hitler as saying this.

[grey_whiskers]

IIRC, Einstein admitted that math was not one his strengths.

OK, fair enough as far as it goes.

But he was so intelligent anyway, that he could probably wipe the floor with most of the people on this thread in mathematics.

By analogy Randy Johnson's off-speed pitches are still faster than what most people on this thread could manage to throw; even though they're not fast "for him".

[grey_whiskers]

Keep in mind that there is quite a bit of contention regarding the accuracy of much of the research on Hitler by the man who quoted Hitler as saying this.

More details? I was quoting a contemporary British propaganda poster; and was unaware of the quote as being connected to any research on Hitler, controversial or otherwise.

Cheers!

[RadioAstronomer]

It's truly an art form to cram so much that is so wrong into so few words.

Takes many "years" of education to accomplish such feats. :-)

[ml1954]

But he was so intelligent anyway, that he could probably wipe the floor with most of the people on this thread in mathematics.

By analogy Randy Johnson's off-speed pitches are still faster than what most people on this thread could manage to throw; even though they're not fast "for him".

OK. But Einstein admitted he needed help with the math for his theories and sought it from his contemporaries.

If Randy is smart, he's done the same. He may have natural talent, but I'd guess he'd be the first to say his coaches have helped him immensely.

[Dimensio]

More details? I was quoting a contemporary British propaganda poster; and was unaware of the quote as being connected to any research on Hitler, controversial or otherwise.

The quote comes from Hermann Rauschning, and the Wiki link there seems relatively unbiased, if brief. There's mention of the controversy surrounding some of his work there. I found other references on Rauschning from Google, but I'm not sure I want to take the time to sort out the genuine skeptics of his work from the foaming-at-the-mouth historical revisionists who want to deny the Holocaust entirely.

[grey_whiskers]

Oh yes, and you also have Hitler's eulogy upon Hindenberg, ending with "...enter thou upon Valhalla" ; which is quite a strange remark for a Bible-believer to make at a funeral. Still more so for them to have made it in the early 1900's when PDF's (public displays of faith, not the Adobe file) were not frowned upon.

Will have to see--if I ever find the time--if there are other sources for the quote about "either a German or a Christian."

Cheers!

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

...you have to take to dishonest misrepresntation of the statements of others?

Anyone who thinks mathematics is not science is a dope...

[Dimensio]

Anyone who thinks mathematics is not science is a dope...

Well, I guess that settles it then. I don't know how to counter the sound logic and airtight reasoning of the appeal to ad hominem. By insulting anyone who disagrees with you, you've surely proven your point far better than you could by citing actual evidence.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

the appeal to ad hominem

That is the whole point of while you are here to begin with, isn't it? You are here to bash the religionists.

It only frustrates you that it doesn't work with an atheist. Of course, since I am an equal opportunity secularist: I take shots at atheists too, because some of you are no better, and most often times worse, than the godists.

Ad hominem - - latin - - to the man....

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By insulting anyone who disagrees with you...

argumentum misericordian - - latin - - appeal to sympathy

Go get a tissue...

[Doctor Stochastic]

Were some QM events not random, we wouldn't be having this discussion. (At least not using a semi-conductor based device.)

[ml1954]

Anyone who thinks mathematics is not science is a dope.

Then you are a dope. Math is abstract. Science attempts to describe reality. Ignoring left-wing postmodern decontrunctionist hypothesis' of reality (I'm guessing you don't subscribe to these), Science is not abstract. Math is a tool used by science to describe reality.