[Sir Francis Dashwood]

...you have to take to dishonest misrepresntation of the statements of others?

Anyone who thinks mathematics is not science is a dope...

[Dimensio]

Anyone who thinks mathematics is not science is a dope...

Well, I guess that settles it then. I don't know how to counter the sound logic and airtight reasoning of the appeal to ad hominem. By insulting anyone who disagrees with you, you've surely proven your point far better than you could by citing actual evidence.

[ml1954]

Anyone who thinks mathematics is not science is a dope.

Then you are a dope. Math is abstract. Science attempts to describe reality. Ignoring left-wing postmodern decontrunctionist hypothesis' of reality (I'm guessing you don't subscribe to these), Science is not abstract. Math is a tool used by science to describe reality.