Posted on 11/16/2005 3:40:35 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
You've fashioned your own definition of miracle. "Made up story" is not included in the dictionary definition.
Exactly. Science is well within bounds in assuming God created the heavens and the earth and sustains them. Narrow minded ideologues blurt out that this is "unscientific," but they have no evidence to back their claims. Neither do you.
*shrug* I'm telling you what they are, not what people claim they are. Dictionary editors probably worry about boycotts by Christians if they did the same.
No. The accepted definition has nothing to say about the supernatural. It neither includes or excludes it. Only narrow-minded ideologues like yourself are inclined to fabricate a definition of science that suits their fancy.
Dude, if you think that "science" includes the investigation of the supernatural, then you are delusional. (I guess palm readers, ghost hunters, priests and pastors are the same as chemists and physicists. LOL... Witch doctors are just like regular doctors, right... LOL.)
How preposterously small is your expectation when it comes to the capabilities of science! Why not start with something as simple as an automobile, which we know is a product of intelligent design. Are you saying it is impossible for science to test a hypothesis about its design?
In almost every case, an automobile is indirect evidence of intelligent design. Are you saying it is impossble for this to be addressed from a scientific standpoint?
Did you have to see humans making an automobile before you inferred it is the product of intelligent design? Did someone have to sit you down and say, "Now, Horsey honey, this is an automobile, and it was designed by humans" before you correctly inferred it might not have sprung up by itself in the desert or grown out in some farmer's field? Did you have to have it all laid out in formal logic complete with a hypothesis and a theory to back it up? Were you "unscientific" and "mystical" for assuming it was designed when you never even saw who, or what, designed it?
If you want to fabricate your own meanings for words, then it stands to reason you will operate with a skewed view of reality. The dictionary definition of "miracle" denotes it as "an event," not a fiction. There are numerous examples of events to this day for which science does not have an explanation, starting with the fact you are able to remain anchored to this planet.
Have you defined "design?" I don't see where you have done so, so I can hardly see how you are "ahead."
"Horsey, honey" = "Stringneck, baby"
"Have you defined "design?" I don't see where you have done so, so I can hardly see how you are "ahead."
I can't define design, but I am man enough to admit it. You can't either, but you continue to huff and puff as if you could.
...said the man with the invisible friends...
The dictionary definition of "miracle" denotes it as "an event," not a fiction.
Did you ever notice how dictionaries are more concerned with how words are used then whether those uses are factually correct???
There are numerous examples of events to this day for which science does not have an explanation, starting with the fact you are able to remain anchored to this planet.
LOL... Yeah, good luck with investigating that "Angels Pushing Down" theory of gravitation. Or is it the "God Is Blowing Real Hard From Heaven" theory... LMAO
What is unscientific is to make the claim, say it is proper to assume it to be and leave it there. Which is exactly what you do.
Form testing that would facilitate proving your assumption.
Do that testing and draw conclusions from that testing that support or refute your original position. Rework your original assumption(if need be), form tests, draw conclusion from them.........wet, lather, rinse, repeat.....
You, in essence, state that making a claim coming from feeling is all that is needed to qualify it as scientific. Stopping there is indeed unscientific. Take notice, it just doesn't Fit.
I would offer to you that what you do with this topic is like starting your engine at the Indy 500 and never putting the car in gear to run the race. Then still claiming you ran the Indy 500. Claiming it is proper to assume you ran the race because you started your engine. AND THEN, claim anyone that attempts to see anything other than the 'start your engine' portion is wrong for doing so.
You assumed it through indirect evidence. That makes you a "mystic." Had you never seen an automobile in your life, would you think it sprung up in the desert the first time you saw one?
All of scientific thought and testing is formulated in such a manner as to uncover, and understand, intelligent design. Or do you think the aim of science is to uncover chaos? Intelligent design is both the subject and object of science. It is manifest both inductively and deductively. Those who think science is something else are blowing philosophical smoke.
"You assumed it through indirect evidence. That makes you a "mystic."
I never said that indirect evidence was unscientific, that's your lie. I said *theories* with no physical evidence and no testable claims were unscientific. Physical evidence can be either direct or indirect. Theories though HAVE to be testable.
"Had you never seen an automobile in your life, would you think it sprung up in the desert the first time you saw one?"
If I was raised in a culture that had never seen anything like a car, or better yet, one that had next to no technology, I might have no idea what a car was or how it got there. I wasn't, so my assumption was rational.
"All of scientific thought and testing is formulated in such a manner as to uncover, and understand, intelligent design."
No, it is done to uncover REGULARITY and ORDER, not intelligent design.
It's called inductive reasoning. It happens to be convincing to most reasonable people. Like, where there is design there is quite likely a designer. It is your own emotional, pre-conceived notion that leads you to conclude intelligent design is an unscientific concept.
I'm familiar with inductive reasoning. It isn't physical evidence, though. It's an inference, and an emotional one at that.
Words mean things. You are trying to re-define science the way that creationists try to redefine "theory" to suit their agenda.
Why do you suppose no legitimate scientific organization (that is to say, one that has a purpose other than promoting ID) recognizes ID as science? Some global conspiracy stretching back centuries? I'd really like to know.
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