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UW professors: Discovering life on other planets unlikely (Barf!)
The UW Daily Online ^ | 11/15/05 | Tia Ghose

Posted on 11/15/2005 6:45:01 PM PST by KevinDavis

Ever wondered how life began and whether there is life on other planets? You're not alone, but the curiosity rarely turns into a career.

The UW astrobiology program gives hope to would-be professional stargazers. Astrobiology -- the study of life in the universe -- looks for scientific answers to questions like "How did life begin on this planet?" and "Are we alone in the universe?" The field builds on knowledge across several disciplines.

UW biology professor Peter Ward and UW astronomy professor Donald Brownlee believe discovering intelligent aliens on other planets is unlikely. In Rare Earth, a book the two co-authored, they say the conditions needed for complex life are so narrow that microbial life may be common, but complicated life in the universe is likely rare.

(Excerpt) Read more at thedaily.washington.edu ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barf; creation; donaldbrownlee; evolution; peterward; planets; rareearth; rareearthnonsense; seti; space
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To: RadioAstronomer

If we are ever visited by physical beings, they may have discovered the means to trans-dimensionally cross over from an alternate universe. Exploring alternate universes would take virtually no time at all and may be far more compelling to an explorer than wandering around in the vast emptiness of our own universe.


81 posted on 11/16/2005 1:18:02 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: billbears

Actually, space is finite. It is defined by the universe, which is finite.


82 posted on 11/16/2005 1:20:11 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: randog
...complicated life in the universe is likely rare.
Didn't stop Cap'n Kirk from finding a dancing green chick.

There's the rub: She wasn't complicated, she was easy.

83 posted on 11/16/2005 1:22:00 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

LOL!!


84 posted on 11/16/2005 1:24:19 PM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Yeah.. That's what I meant to say.. LOL!!

Seriously, a good post.. thanks..
It illustrates what I was trying to point out, that it is as difficult (if not impossible) for other intelligent life to find us, as it is for us to find them..

I suggest the most probable possibility of an actual, physical contact is the use of some sort of "Ark", a self-contained world, a multi-generational spacecraft, coming to our solar system with another life form...
In a sense, contact being Forced Upon Us..

Such an eventuality would be "interesting" in the extreme..
Would earthly humankind be willing to share our planet with another intelligent species ??
What if interbreeding were possible? (assimilation)
What if it were not? (competition)
What social, philosophical, religious ramifications??
Would we be willing (or able) to demand they "move on", subjecting their kind to possibly another multi-generational oddysey?
Could WE be that "inhuman", in face of the fate we would be condemning them to??

85 posted on 11/16/2005 1:33:00 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Kirkwood

It...was...a....joke. From Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy


86 posted on 11/16/2005 1:33:19 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: KevinDavis
The real problem in all of this is that the same purely speculative "equation" that indicates how unlikely the occurrence of intelligent life is in the universe applies to us as well. And knowing that in at least one case those conditions are satisfied does not lead us to conclude that two such cases are twice as unlikely, or ten times, or a thousand. It isn't really a mathematical relationship, it's just speculation.

"Whereof one cannot speak, one must remain silent." Well, "must" may be a little strong, but it's still awfully good advice.

87 posted on 11/16/2005 1:42:45 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: RadioAstronomer

Are you gearing up to write the book on the search for ET?


88 posted on 11/16/2005 1:43:12 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Drammach

Good post. My thoughts exactly, although I could not have articulated them as you did.


89 posted on 11/16/2005 1:44:28 PM PST by VegasCowboy ("...he wore his gun outside his pants, for all the honest world to feel.")
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To: staytrue

Maybe they were Green. Don't know if being Green would be any long term help to survival of the planet, but 200,000,000 years of dominance compared to our 2000 might dampen our enthusiasm for our own omniscience.


90 posted on 11/16/2005 1:48:41 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Wow!

Nice post!

Are you getting a chance to look at Venus and Mars or any of the meteors? Good viewing out there.


91 posted on 11/16/2005 1:52:12 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: BurbankKarl
This brings back many pleasant memories of watching the sunset from "Red Square" at the UW.

(Well, it could be called "Red Square" for the prevailing campus politics - this IS the University of Washington after all - they certainly were "red" when I was there. But the name is used mainly because the square is paved in red bricks and has several massive red brick buildings on its perimeter.)

Where is this photograph taken from? A south facing window on one of the upper floors of the Main Library? Since the visibility of Mt. Rainier is great, is this a spring time view or is Seattle having a particularly dry November this year?

UW 1975-1978; BA-History

P.S.: A little something to go with your Starbucks: just remember that this bucolic view means you are living in one of the main mud outflow fields if that pointy thing in the distance ever decides to go off.
92 posted on 11/16/2005 2:07:19 PM PST by Captain Rhino (If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense!)
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To: RadioAstronomer

The biggest problem with the Drake Equation is its first variable: The number of stars in our galaxy. We now understand that our galaxy has a relatively narrow "habitable zone" which is needed for the evolution of higher lifeforms. Move too far in towards the galactic core and gravitational disturbances caused by the reduced distances between the stars robs potential planets of the long term orbital stability they need to evolve lower lifeforms into higher ones. Move too far out and the increased rate of star formation in the outer bands will soak your planet in radiation, sterilizing it in minutes.

The problem is that these two regions are home to the bulk of the stars in our galaxy. Remove them from the picture and you have a far smaller starting number.

The most comprehensive analysis of the question that I've read put the number of intelligent civilizations existing today at no more than 5-7 per galaxy, with 2-4 being a more probable number. When you add in a second missing Drake Equation factor, the number of communicating civilizations that achieve interstellar spaceflight, the odds of us actually meeting any of them fall to practically zero. If mankind ever meets a single extraterrestrial civilization during its time of existence, we'll be lucky. Star Trek is fiction.

I have no doubt that our infinite universe is home to countless thousands of species, but the very fact that our universe is infinite means that we'll never get to meet them.


93 posted on 11/16/2005 2:11:59 PM PST by Arthalion
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To: RadioAstronomer
Thank you for the excellent post!!!
94 posted on 11/16/2005 3:09:27 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: billbears

"It...was...a....joke. From Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"

Huh, well that's some joke. Where's the funny part? Most people believe space is infinite and I thought you made the same mistake.


95 posted on 11/16/2005 4:19:04 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: RadioAstronomer

Wow. Post of the month! Great reading.


96 posted on 11/16/2005 4:36:33 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: Kirkwood

I take it most British humor just goes right over your head doesn't it? Try reading Adams or Pratchett.


97 posted on 11/16/2005 5:57:21 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: RadioAstronomer

GReat post.


98 posted on 11/16/2005 6:38:50 PM PST by FOG724 (http://gravenimagemusic.com/)
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To: RadioAstronomer

I don't think you are going to find humans bouncing around, but out in the universe we could find cells, microbes, maybe other things like missing Whitewater papers. You never know.


99 posted on 11/16/2005 7:15:35 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
I personally think the Fermi Paradox is pure BS and not well thought out
We think alike. ;')
100 posted on 11/16/2005 9:17:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Wednesday, November 2, 2005.)
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