How Rice Won a Mideast Deal

TIME ^ | 11/15/05 | ELAINE SHANNON

[Cecily]

May of 2004. There are many, many reasons why the UN, its employees, and especially UNRWA are very unpopular with the Israelis. The UN provides convenient cover for lots of anti-Israel activity.

[littleleaguemom]

I said the average Israeli is not religious. If you state 20% are observant, is that not the same thing?

[littleleaguemom]

Well, I'm done here. It's sad to see so-called conservatives trashing SOS Rice for trying to accomplish the impossible. Why not offer prayers for a successful outcome instead of demonizing Palestine?

[kabar]

Way to go Condi. A little hands on diplomacy goes a long way.

[safisoft]

Contrary to the perception of many non-Jews and even many secular and semi-practicing Jews, the State of “Israel” and the Zionist movement are actually considered the antithesis of Jewish beliefs. Proponents of Zionism have been engaged in a long futile struggle to find ways to legitimize their beliefs to traditional Judaism since the movement was first conceived at the end of the 19th century. Zionism is regarded within traditional Orthodox Jewry as being completely contrary to the Torah and to how it has been practiced for thousands of years.

What a joke. Yes, many of the first Zionists of the 19th and early 20th Centuries were Marxist and Socialist. The fact is, that the majority of Evangelical Christians are Zionists too, and it is because it is Biblically sound. As for Orthodox Jews not being Zionist, that is silly. It was the Orthodox that were behind the anti-disengagement movement.

[mosquewatch.com]

No Sir , I would not. Both are horrid choices.

[diverteach]

Until you had mentioned it, I had never heard of the .
"supercesstion theology". After doing a little research to find out exactly what it was, it does make sense as to how Condi and W's actions regarding Israel.

But let me ask you this, how do you know that this is thier belief?

[mosquewatch.com]

Because the palistinians are murdering thugs, and practice human sacfrice. If you wish well to these people, you have a problem.

[mosquewatch.com]

Would you like to live near a people that teach there children "Die for allah and kill Jews." ? And some very ignorant Americans want a "Palestine"? Totally ignorant.

[littleleaguemom]

And you know this how? You have personally gone undercover and seen these things?

[Sabramerican]

Enjoy

http://stream.realimpact.net/rihurl.ram?file=realimpact/memri/memri_v2.rm

[safisoft]

But let me ask you this, how do you know that this is thier belief?

It follows denominational lines in Protestants. The majority of Evangelicals are not in that camp (they hold to dispensationalism instead). I think both views of Israel are wrong (dispensationalism and supercessionism), but dispensationalism is far preferable as it is friendly toward the physical State of Israel. Which is why most Evangelicals are pro-Israel.

[Nachum]

I said the average Israeli is not religious. If you state 20% are observant, is that not the same thing?

Not at all. 1 in 5 is a very large percentage. Most of the Jews of the country celibrate the major holidays and at least another 20% are tradional in their observance but to the degree of the Orthodox. The country virtually shuts down during the major Jewish holidays. If you actually spent time with Jews in Isreal, you might learn how connected they are to their faith.

[Thinkin' Gal]

"The woman gave it to me, and I ate."

This surely then could not be Bush's fault. Oh wait, he's the one in the tree.

[Anthem]

Thanks for the pictures, I really enjoyed them. What an extraordinary experience that must have been. Inspiring! (BTW, you look like my sister to an amazing extent).

I found your comments on Zionism to be similar to my own experience. I used to defend Israel until fairly recently. After seeing the incredible amount of bigotry coming from the Zionists here on FR, coupled with reading some of the Israeli web sites, I have changed my mind.

[Uri’el-2012]

Just wondering if you or anyone here is familiar with Koenig's book "Eye to Eye: Facing the Consequences of Dividing Israel". A friend of mine is very impressed with his equating the natural disasters in the US which occur after we (the US) interferes in the Israeli/Palestinian conflicts. I haven't read the book myself, just wondering if anyone here has, and their comments. Thanks.

The thrust of the book is my point.
I have not read the book,
however I've seen a review
by J.R. Church on Prophesy in the News website.

b'shem Y'shua

[Alouette]

http://www.nkusa.org/

Neturei Karta : Orthodox Jews :: Fred Phelps : Evangelical Christians

[Uri’el-2012]

Javier Solana
High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy, Secretary-General of the Council of the European Union

Does he represent the "revived" Roman Empire making peace in the Holy Land?

b'shem Y'shua

[wingman1]

Both are horrid choices.

So you wouldn't vote against Hillary, thus insuring that she gets elected?

[littleleaguemom]

Thank you. It utterly changed our lives. I am sorry more people don't get to share it, but we had the monastery at the Mount of Temptation all to ourselves. We would never have known such a place existed if not for the Palestinian children of my FIL's friends. Our visit was all too brief and we are making plans to take our son out of school again for a longer visit; he is a senior already accepted to college so we can do this.

To all of you on FR, I urge: take yourselves and your children to the Holy Land! And open your minds and hearts to all the ancient peoples who are also loved by the same God. This is where Abraham, Moses and Jesus walked...and Jesus will soon come again bringing peace to all the Earth.