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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

Some are working, a high percentage are drawing welfare benefits and medicaid for hospitalization.

Sources? I find this a common charge on FR. Rather than simply say it ain't true (which I did earlier in a most UNgracious way... and asked the moderator to pull my post), I would like to see any stats out there. We can deal with the medicare/hospital stuff later, as I have quite a bit of info on that. I just want to see any data at all which suggests that a "high percentage" (I will consider anything over 14%) are on welfare. Just like you won't accept any stuff from me like "I know lots of Mexicans who are hard workers and they are good people," please refrain from stories about visiting the welfare offices in West Apopka FL, or Remlap Nevada. I am talking about stats that have some semblance of research behind them.


492 posted on 11/16/2005 1:58:21 PM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: chronic_loser
Don't you realize that all Freepers think alike and just nod and pose for each other. It is Verbotten to ask any questions, especially about immigration. These threads are basically a giant echo chamber.

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters

498 posted on 11/16/2005 2:20:18 PM PST by bray (Iraq, freed from Saddamn now Pray for Freedom from Mohammad)
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To: chronic_loser

This is for you and your open border bigot friends. You've been given stats, reports, studies many times here on FR and yet you ask for the same over again. I posted all the FR polls to you yesterday, which you ignored, as usual.

You are an internet forum terrorist, wanting only to waste the time of conservative Americans, white, black or hispanic, it doesn't matter to you. If you can succeed in disrupting our progress to fix a disaster that kills thousands of Americans every year, you accomplish your goal. Any death from an illegal alien is a preventable death, yet you justify that horror and never feel empathy for your fellow Americans living it.


You will find recently a Pew study that stated that half the illegal "immigrants" here are employed. What do you think the other half are doing?


506 posted on 11/16/2005 2:46:55 PM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: chronic_loser
Housing and homeless programs help low-income Massachusetts households find housing and pay their rent, and offer prevention services and emergency shelter for the homeless. Most federally-funded programs only offer benefits to certain categories of noncitizens. State-funded and non-profit programs are usually open to anyone, including undocumented noncitizens.

More info and source: http://www.massresources.org/pages.cfm?ContentID=57&pageID=18&Subpages='yes'&DynamicID=740

In California, many Medi-Cal services and other public benefits are already available to illegal immigrants, with or without a valid ID [Matricula Card]. Nearly one-third of California's illegal aliens -- more than any other state -- already receive some form of government assistance. The possession of the matricula can only serve to exacerbate this problem.


More info and source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/08/26/ED8980.DTL&type=printable

. Food Stamps
“Qualified aliens” are ineligible for Food Stamps for a period of 5 years beginning on the date of an alien’s entry into the United States. (Sec 402 (a))

Exceptions to the 5-year ban on Food Stamps:

Children (under 18 years old). (Sec 402(a)(2)(J))
Aliens who were lawfully residing in the U.S. and were age 65 or older on August 22, 1996. (Sec 402(a)(2)(I))
Aliens who are receiving assistance for blindness or disability. (Sec 402(a)(2)(F))
Certain Indians. (Sec 402(a)(2)(G))
Certain Hmong and Highland Laotians. (Sec 402(a)(2)(K))
Refugees and Asylees, aliens whose deportation is being withheld, Amerasians, and Cuban/Haitian entrants, and victims of a severe form of trafficking. (Sec 402(a)(2)(A))
Veterans, members of the military on active duty, and their spouses and unmarried dependent children. (Sec 402(a)(2)(C))
Legal Permanent Residents who have worked 40 qualifying quarters of coverage. After 12/31/96, no quarter can be considered a “qualifying quarter” if the individual is receiving a “federal means­tested public benefit.” (See Section D below for the definition) Quarters worked by parents when the alien was a child, or by a spouse while married, may be counted by spouses and dependent children as satisfying the 40 quarter requirement. (Sec 402(a)(2)(B))

More info and source: http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/immigration/restrictions-sum.htm#sec1

Supplemental Security Income
Most qualified aliens who enter the US on or after August 22, 1996 are ineligible for SSI until they become U.S. citizens, which generally requires at least five years residency. (Sec 402(a))

Exceptions to the ban on SSI:

All aliens who were receiving SSI on August 22, 1996, retain eligibility for SSI (Sec 402(a)(2)(E) and Sec 401(b)(5)) and, if related to SSI receipt, Medicaid benefits. (Sec 402(b)(2)(F))
Qualified aliens lawfully residing in the US on August 22, 1996, who were not receiving SSI but are or become disabled in the future will also be eligible. (Sec 402(a)(2)(F))
Refugees and Asylees, aliens whose deportation is being withheld, Amerasians, and Cuban/Haitian entrants, and victims of a severe form of trafficking are exempted from the ban on SSI for their first 7 years in the U.S. (Sec 402(a)(2)(A))
Veterans, members of the military on active duty, and their spouses and unmarried dependent children. (Sec 402(a)(2)(C))
Legal Permanent Residents who have worked 40 qualifying quarters. After 12/31/96, no quarter can be considered a “qualifying quarter” if the individual received a “federal means­tested public benefit” during the quarter (See section D below for the definition of “federal means­tested public benefit”) Quarters worked by parents when the alien was a child, or by a spouse while married, may be counted by spouses and dependent children as satisfying the 40 quarter requirement. (Sec 402(a)(2)(B))

Source: Same as above

NOTE: "qualified Alein" is often an illegal alien.........

Qualified aliens include (Sec 431):

Legal Permanent Residents
Asylees
Refugees
Aliens paroled into the U.S. for at least one year
Aliens whose deportations are being withheld
Aliens granted conditional entry (prior to April 1, 1980)
Battered alien spouses, battered alien children, the alien parents of battered children, and alien children of battered parents who fit certain criteria
Cuban/Haitian entrants
Victims of a severe form of trafficking

Thus, we have millions of illegal aliens eligible for public assistance. They say that "undocumented immigrants" are not eligible, but they just re-categorize them as "refugees".

Anecdotal evidence: Before I married, I dated THREE women who I found out were all illegal aliens, and all three happened to be getting public assistance and two of the three had kids in schools.

Also, I'm sure than there are FR members here who work in the government that can tell you stories about how much public assistance (wealth transfer of our taxes from us to them) is going on.

Also, as you know or as you SHOULD know, the new Medicare Prescription Drug Bill had $2 billion funded for reimbursement to Arizona hospitals who are serving the illegal aliens free of charge. You know that.

The amount of free medical care and public assistance (food, housing, etc.) is bigtime. Do some research and yo will get your numbers.
508 posted on 11/16/2005 3:15:04 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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