Posted on 11/15/2005 6:51:13 AM PST by DTogo
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Amendment XIV - Citizenship rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Amended. I doubt if we would repeal the entire 14th Amendment. And there is a procedure to do so. We need to redefine how citizenship is obtained.
Ah, an apologist chimes in!
"No problem!I had no idea that the solution to this complex problem is so simple! The government could do it this afternoon if they were serious, huh? Do you have a list of names and locations of these 20 - 25 million confirmed illegals that you could provide to the I.N.S.?"
They're easy enough to find. In most larger cities you can't avoid finding them.
If you want a simple way to find them, create an actual award program for turning in illegal aliens. It would be funded by fines paid by the employers of illegal aliens. Instant incentive to turn in those 20-25 million.
"It's all so simple...just identify, locate and verify the immigration status of 20 - 25 million suspected illegals and boot 'em out today! And of course there would be no negative effect on the economy if approximately 10% of the workforce, illegal or not, were deported "now".Yup, sounds like a win-win situation to me."
YEah, congratulations on being completely ignornant on the illegal immigration issue.
Illegal aliens already cost us more in taxes and economic impact than they benefit us with "cheap" labor. Not to mention the economic impact of crime, like murder, rape, gang activity, fraud, etc. - plus the human cost.
And the labor market? It would adjust, like it always has. Either through adjusting wages to REAL free market costs (not the perverted market) or by modernizing via automation to replace lost workers (a little more expensive initially, but much more profitable in the long run)
Oh, well, that settles it I guess. Damn greasers. Where is the SS and the gas when you need em, right? It is just UNAMERICAN to live more than 4 (5?) to a house and place other family members needs higher than your own selfish desires. Everyone knows that freedom means the obligation to be your own selfish pig. You are a poster child for everything despicable about "conservatives" (really statists who would support the IRS, higher taxes, and implementation of a police state if it would further their immigration hobby horse) in the immigration mess we have.
If the "conservatives" on the immigration threads are considered the core of true America, then we SHOULD just open the border, cause there is not much here worth saving. Silly me, thinking that the inscription on the base of lady liberty actually MEANT something.
Self reliance, self determination, freedom to try and fail and try and fail and try again, no reliance on government but a trust in the free market and freedom of speech and ideas. All these are replaced on the left by a bunch of mewling whining socialist snits, but I fear that they are simply mirrored on the "right" by a bunch of statist who think that wrapping themelves in a flag and quoting a bible verse once in a while inures them from the charge that they are simply for ceding power to the state every bit as quickly as a leftist....., just so long as it is "our" people in power. Hasn't the putrifying stench of this current republican congress taught you people ANYTHING? The problem is the centralization of power in DC, and the halfwits here are willing to aid and abet this because someone says "Buenos dias" and smells like garlic.
It is pathetic.
But, people that think that deportation of every single illegal alien in this country can be done without a huge cost, both in dollars and Constitutional rights is deluded.
Law and Order is just left wing PC swill.
That's like saying the 2nd amendment applies only to militia members.
Including ILLEGAL aliens - by definition, here ILLEGALLY and not "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was NOT the intention of the 14th amendment.
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"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons."
Senator Jacob Howard,
co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
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Most of those people will eventually want to go back, to visit families, retire, etc.
Build the freakin' wall and prevent most of the immigration and good part of the illegals will eventually deport themselves. Then you can hunt down the rest. (And a lot of 'em we're not gonna want to deport anyway.)
And stop attractin' more of 'em by floating "not-an-amnesty" amnesty program trial balloons.
But we MUST demand that the fed institute the database to track them... or us..... uh, them...., well, you know what I mean. I am a CONSERVATIVE, right? See the flag in my yard?
There are congressmen who have suggested just that.
In fact, the congressmen have stated that the clause "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof," has been MISINTERPRETED to apply to any person born in the U.S. automatically becomes a U.S. citizen; however, they claim that when this was written, its intention was to assure that citizenship is bestowed only upon those people within whom U.S. JURISIDCTION resides....Specifically, I read that these words were put into place so that children born of people NOT UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE U.S., i.e., foreign diplomats, were NOT and could not be US citizens.....as the infant's parents WERE NOT UNDER U.S. JURISDICTION.
Illegal aliens, therefore, are also NOT UNDER U.S. jurisdiction, so their citizenship belongs to the country of the infant's parents.
"But, people that think that deportation of every single illegal alien in this country can be done without a huge cost, both in dollars and Constitutional rights is deluded."
People who make excuses as to why we can't enforce our most basic laws are cowards.
You don't have to violate the constitution. You just have to enforce the laws.
When you catch an illegal alien in any other interaction with the police- like any crimes or traffic stops - you DEPORT THEM, not let them go.
When the border patrol catches illegal aliens near the border, they DEPORT THEM, not give them notices to appear for a deportation hearing, and have 90% never show up.
Then you get the bush administration to actually enforce our workplace laws! I know, it's a shock, but we actually have laws against hiring illegal aliens. GWB has dropped enforcement to almost ZERO now.
Create a reward system funded by employer fines, and you'll soon find millions of illegal aliens turned in - and the cost of deporting them will be paid by it, too.
As luck would have it, we HAVE billions and billions of dollars.
All we have to do is enforce the laws already on the books and the illegals will deport themselves.
Frankly, which laws do the feds not intend to enforce? I mean, I'd like to know which laws I can safely ignore.
"Silly me, thinking that the inscription on the base of lady liberty actually MEANT something."
Silly me, thinking national security and obeying the laws actually MEANT something.
Apologists who make excuses for illegal behavior and brush under the rug all the murderers, rapists, gang members, and drunk drivers who come her via our lax immigration laws make me sick.
Anybody who apologizes for a system that allows for the victimization of innocent americans AND legal aliens is scum, plain and simple.
You are pathetic. Taking over for the other banned FROBL members?
"Frankly, which laws do the feds not intend to enforce? I mean, I'd like to know which laws I can safely ignore."
Do you have a few million in campaign contributions? You can then pick and choose which laws you want to ignore. Just by the appropriate members of congress and you're good to go!
We need immigrant labor, whether it is at the top end of the scale in terms of medicine, engineering, IT, etc. or at the low end in terms of unskilled and semi-skilled labor. We have an unemployment rate of about 5% and a growth rate of 3.8% over the last quarter. Something needs to be done about illegal immigration, i.e., controlling our borders and regularizing the flow of labor into our country. H-1B visas are one such example.
Just in case you didn't see post#87:
""Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons."
Senator Jacob Howard,
co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866. "
...and we are mere Serfs!
Time for "support" is over...they don't get it, so we need to GIVE it to them!
Dump EVERY RINO/Country Clubber/OBL MORON...and I don't care if the DemonRATs get power, because they ALREADY HAVE IT thanks to the RINO/Country Clubber/OBL MORONS!
We are driving off the cliff, changing drivers on the way to the bottom won't matter!
This IS the time to clean house of ALL these out-of-touch/out-of-control STATISTS!
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