Posted on 11/15/2005 6:51:13 AM PST by DTogo
...HANNITY: Because you had made a controversial statement, and you seem to be backing off of it now, and it was that people that are here illegally, that they all ought to be sent back.
I'm paraphrasing.
And it seems like now you've sort of backed off that position a little bit, because there are million that we estimate that are in this country illegally.
Why wouldn't we send them back?
CHERTOFF: ...I also recognize we've got, according to some estimates, 10 to 11 million illegals already in this country working. And the cost of identifying all of those people and sending them back would be stupendous. It would be billions and billions of dollars...
HANNITY: Why — in that sense, aren't you really rewarding those that didn't respect our laws and sovereignty? In other words, OK, you're saying, you came into this country illegally.
Now that we've identified you, we're going to let you even stay longer and make money, and then you can go back in three to six years.
Why don't we say, no, you're here illegally, you didn't respect our laws, you ought to go home? Why don't we just say that?
CHERTOFF: Well, Sean, you know, it's really an issue of practicality.
I mean, as a practical matter, we've got to identify these people and pull them out of the shadows.
Now, this is not an amnesty. This is not — the president's proposal is not a path to citizenship. It's clearly temporary, and it clearly envisions people who would have to commit to go back....
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My wife is Latina. I have had some great clients and friends who are from Central and Latin America. I know that, when compared to welfare freeloaders 5th generation American, they often have stronger work ethics. Still, the amount of wealth transfer going to illegal aliens is of galactic size proportions. It will increase greatly the more "legitimate" they become, e.g., as they become citizens.
I don't need to define you--your own posts on this thread have rather nicely taken care of that.
I try never to pay much attention to what quislings may think of me or other loyal American conservatives.
"Have a nice life."
Thanks. You too...
Just in case you've never heard of Proposition 187 in California, approved by two-thirds of the voters a few years back, it was aimed at decreasing the cost of illegal immigration by denying welfare and other benefits to the hordes who live here. ONE liberal judge, Mariana Pfaelzer, overturned the votes of the majority of California voters and threw our votes out, period.
Gray Davis, the incompetent governor at the time, refused to fight for us by challenging that one judge's decision. We threw him out.
The new "terminator" Governor has terminated nothing, nor has he fought much of anything having to do with illegal aliens. He's following the lead of most Republicans who have joined the liberals in allowing this invasion to continue against the will of the people.
Yes, California has become illegal alien heaven, and we're being outnumbered, and it's coming to your state soon.
The Bush administration has failed America. The borders should have been secured after 9/11/01 - they're still virtually open.
Then in Arizona we tried to learn from CA mistakes and passed Prop 200. Well, apparently, not letting illegals vote or collect any kind of state welfare was not specific enough - so the next state that tries this should beware. Janet Napolitano and Terry Goddard (flaming elitist libs) managed to make voting easier than checking out a movie, and restricted what illegals cannot collect to only a few items, including something about eyeglasses.
I mentioned one. How many do you need?
Not to me, you didn't.
"How many do you need?"
So far, you haven't named one. Looks like you don't have much, despite your reckless race baiting accusations.
Put up or shut up.
An absolutely awesome analysis, czar!
Bookmarked until I can devote enough time for a fitting response.
~ joanie
Did so you stupid f... Maybe you disagree with my assessment but I did name one so if you want to see it search my posts. If not, go have a taco. I'll give you a clue the guy made a point of including "White American" in the description of his son.
In the interest of civility, let me attempt to lay out the problem, as I see it:
1) FR is dominated by a group of people on the immigration subject who see the mess we have and believe the only real solution is to lock down the borders and expel the illegals, first. Any attempts to let them back in have to take second seat to this. Proponents are divided between fairly rational persons, Reform Party blue collar types, slobbering xenophobe/racists, and some who are a mix of all three, depending on what day they post. There really is not alot of belief that free market principles should lead in the search for solutions, though. Law Enforcement FIRST, market solutions second, if at all.
2) The non-hateful (but frustrated),sober and judicious crowd doesn't tend to "call out" posters who will say, at times, some of the most hateful, prejudiced, and racist stuff you could ask for. I have seen people snicker and openly laugh about people dying in the desert, getting their eyes put out, drowning, getting their legs cut off, and the like. I have seen people laugh about nuking the entire northern Mexico border, gunning down border hoppers "on sight," etc. I have seen posters make hateful comments on some person who commits a crime because his name is Sanchez, or Pedro, or whatever. This is met with a deafening silence by those who advocate a "closed borders" policy. To us few benighted souls who do not share your solutions, this looks an awful lot like a nod and a wink to the guy next to you at the bar while some chick is raped on a pool table behind you. (apologies to the city of Boston)
3) When #2 happens, and someone who thinks this is WRONG, AND thinks the "close the borders" approach is wrong and misguided, the conversations get heated. I have many times said I think there is a strong current of racist xenophobia running thru these threads. I still believe there is, and believe only the most willfully blind could deny it. When I say it, you would think I accused the whole thread of pimping out their moms to a crowd of horny billy goats. Some will accuse you of emulating Jesse Jackson, screaming "racist" only for your own advantage. Others will justify the "overreaction" on the basis that people are so frustrated with the mess. Some will claim "I am not racist, and have never made racist comments"(my experience is that often that is true). Internet onanists will immediately demand that you document and link. If you do, they disappear, but will make the same damn demand then next time you say it. Some will say they are not racist becaus of some connection with Latinos they have (and some are sincere, I believe, in saying so). Some will just call you "not a true conservative" or "unAmerican." Finally, some will agree that there is racism but that you "don't help" by angering everyone by throwing blanket charges.
Why is all that important? Because my own state history shows that people who support institutional racism (that is also called "statism" for those who wonder where I get the term) never do so by appealing to it outright. It is cloaked in an appeal to states rights, or prosperity, or any number of other shibboleths.
Personally, I am disgusted by the hijacking of the race issue by the left so that you really can't mention the word without people legitimately rolling their eyes and wondering if you are just some guilt mongering refugee from DU. However, that truth doesn't stop the fact that it DOES continually surface here, and that it does poison the debate. I believe it will continue to do so. I am really posting this for the benefit of some here with whom I have had intense discussions, and the subject of race has come up. You know who you are. Just wanted to clear the air, if I could.
They are working on tiny robots that will eat the dust off your television screen and furniture.
What happens after they eat all the dust? Then we'll be like France! LOL
No. I do not know your son and have no idea what his work ethic is. Furthermore, in looking at my post, that was a most injudicious way of complimenting my daughter, I can see how it would look like a backhanded slap at your son, and not some of my daughter's friends. Best of luck to your son.
Chertoff is merely mouthing the words of his employer on this subject.
He's too intelligent a man to REALLY believe that garbage and I would think the administration would have more respect for American intelligence that to manufacture such a lame statement.
I used to think that too, but it seems like the more we question, the more the administration sends us statements and spokespeople who mouth the complete opposite of what most Americans want done with the border situation. Somebody must be buying it or there would be a revolt? Or else, we are all too busy working in order to pay high taxes to support the illegals and the businesses that profit from them.
My, my, my.....you alien defenders preach "tolerance" and "acceptance" but exhibit none yourself. Would that you, and those like you, direct even an iota of that same passion towards retaining and sustaining American values, language, and culture, or even slightly less towards a fellow American over criminal invaders....America would have far less problems.
Oh Pullezze!!
What surprises you more, Dave S, that someone calls you on your rudeness....questions your displaced loyalties....or calls a spade a spade?
Is Chertoff too stupid or too corrupt for his job?
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