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To: Czar
Who are they? Put up or shut up.

I mentioned one. How many do you need?

525 posted on 11/16/2005 5:39:40 PM PST by Dave S
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To: Dave S
"I mentioned one."

Not to me, you didn't.

"How many do you need?"

So far, you haven't named one. Looks like you don't have much, despite your reckless race baiting accusations.

Put up or shut up.

526 posted on 11/16/2005 5:47:44 PM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Dave S
I have been in this particular thread subject more than once here. It REALLY pisses me off, I flame on, and things go nuclear for a while, I get suspended (smile), and life goes on.

In the interest of civility, let me attempt to lay out the problem, as I see it:

1) FR is dominated by a group of people on the immigration subject who see the mess we have and believe the only real solution is to lock down the borders and expel the illegals, first. Any attempts to let them back in have to take second seat to this. Proponents are divided between fairly rational persons, Reform Party blue collar types, slobbering xenophobe/racists, and some who are a mix of all three, depending on what day they post. There really is not alot of belief that free market principles should lead in the search for solutions, though. Law Enforcement FIRST, market solutions second, if at all.

2) The non-hateful (but frustrated),sober and judicious crowd doesn't tend to "call out" posters who will say, at times, some of the most hateful, prejudiced, and racist stuff you could ask for. I have seen people snicker and openly laugh about people dying in the desert, getting their eyes put out, drowning, getting their legs cut off, and the like. I have seen people laugh about nuking the entire northern Mexico border, gunning down border hoppers "on sight," etc. I have seen posters make hateful comments on some person who commits a crime because his name is Sanchez, or Pedro, or whatever. This is met with a deafening silence by those who advocate a "closed borders" policy. To us few benighted souls who do not share your solutions, this looks an awful lot like a nod and a wink to the guy next to you at the bar while some chick is raped on a pool table behind you. (apologies to the city of Boston)

3) When #2 happens, and someone who thinks this is WRONG, AND thinks the "close the borders" approach is wrong and misguided, the conversations get heated. I have many times said I think there is a strong current of racist xenophobia running thru these threads. I still believe there is, and believe only the most willfully blind could deny it. When I say it, you would think I accused the whole thread of pimping out their moms to a crowd of horny billy goats. Some will accuse you of emulating Jesse Jackson, screaming "racist" only for your own advantage. Others will justify the "overreaction" on the basis that people are so frustrated with the mess. Some will claim "I am not racist, and have never made racist comments"(my experience is that often that is true). Internet onanists will immediately demand that you document and link. If you do, they disappear, but will make the same damn demand then next time you say it. Some will say they are not racist becaus of some connection with Latinos they have (and some are sincere, I believe, in saying so). Some will just call you "not a true conservative" or "unAmerican." Finally, some will agree that there is racism but that you "don't help" by angering everyone by throwing blanket charges.

Why is all that important? Because my own state history shows that people who support institutional racism (that is also called "statism" for those who wonder where I get the term) never do so by appealing to it outright. It is cloaked in an appeal to states rights, or prosperity, or any number of other shibboleths.

Personally, I am disgusted by the hijacking of the race issue by the left so that you really can't mention the word without people legitimately rolling their eyes and wondering if you are just some guilt mongering refugee from DU. However, that truth doesn't stop the fact that it DOES continually surface here, and that it does poison the debate. I believe it will continue to do so. I am really posting this for the benefit of some here with whom I have had intense discussions, and the subject of race has come up. You know who you are. Just wanted to clear the air, if I could.

531 posted on 11/17/2005 3:47:23 AM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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