[jscd3]

Luther was a Catholic monk who at least had the sense to realize salvation was through faith and not works or indulgences.

Luther was a drunk who violated all of his vows, altered Romans to make it better support Sola Fide, and tried to get the books of James and Hebrews removed from the Bible because of their emphasis on works. This after eliminating the Apocrapha (Sola Scriptura anyone?) He also foolishly encouraged the German Princes to violently put down the Peasant Revolt since he was upset at their interpretation of the Bible and salvation (accusing the leaders of the revolt of antinomianism), and then was shocked when 50,000 or so people were killed. He also explained away his own personal failures by denying free will - read his thesis on Doctrine of the Enslavement of the Will, which he considered to be as important as Sola Scriptura. Note specifically his allegory of Man as a Horse, which rides off to do good or ill, not of it's own volition but simply because of which rider (God or Satan) has mounted it.

But that is mostly beside the point of the topic at hand. The Catholic Church did not persecute scientists for teaching that the earth orbited the sun, whereas Luther did.

[Sensei Ern]

"The Catholic Church did not persecute scientists for teaching that the earth orbited the sun"

I guess my public school physics' class could be wrong about that. I highly doubt it was mistaken, though.

[Rokke]

"Luther was a drunk who violated all of his vows, altered ...."

To paraphrase a couple other posts in this thread....your hatred of Protestants is showing.

[Uri’el-2012]

Luther was a drunk who violated all of his vows, altered Romans to make it better support Sola Fide, and tried to get the books of James and Hebrews removed from the Bible because of their emphasis on works. This after eliminating the Apocrapha (Sola Scriptura anyone?) He also foolishly encouraged the German Princes to violently put down the Peasant Revolt since he was upset at their interpretation of the Bible and salvation (accusing the leaders of the revolt of antinomianism), and then was shocked when 50,000 or so people were killed. He also explained away his own personal failures by denying free will - read his thesis on Doctrine of the Enslavement of the Will, which he considered to be as important as Sola Scriptura. Note specifically his allegory of Man as a Horse, which rides off to do good or ill, not of it's own volition but simply because of which rider (God or Satan) has mounted it.

But that is mostly beside the point of the topic at hand. The Catholic Church did not persecute scientists for teaching that the earth orbited the sun, whereas Luther did.

52 posted on 11/14/2005 8:39:36 AM MST by jscd3

This looks like Christian bashing!

[Cronos]

Luther was a drunk who violated all of his vows,

I don't believe that. As far as the story goes, he was a sinner who got ill and was saved -- while sick he vowed he would become a religious of cured and he did so. A man of his word. I don't think there's any talk of him being a drunk after his priesthood or even when he left the Church.

As for the other bits, yes, he did chop and change the Bible and yes, he was on the side of the German Princes against the Peasants which resulted in serfdom for the northern Germans.