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To: jscd3

Copernicus was wrong. He tried to order the galaxy with simple mathematical calculations. It isn't that simple.

As an aside, Luther was a Catholic monk who at least had the sense to realize salvation was through faith and not works or indulgences.

He had a lot of baggage from the Catholic traditions including violance towards those that disagreed with him.


34 posted on 11/14/2005 7:17:35 AM PST by Sensei Ern (Now, IB4Z! http://trss.blogspot.com/)
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To: Sensei Ern
He had a lot of baggage from the Catholic traditions including violance towards those that disagreed with him.

Are you claiming anything evil in Luther was a remnant of his Catholicism and anything good was a result of his protest?

40 posted on 11/14/2005 7:24:32 AM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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To: Sensei Ern
He had a lot of baggage from the Catholic traditions including violance towards those that disagreed with him.

Looks like you have a lot of anti-Catholic baggage that you have a hard time controlling...

41 posted on 11/14/2005 7:26:31 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: Sensei Ern
As an aside, Luther was a Catholic monk ...

How Rome could reestablish its primacy in one fell swoop:
canonize Martin Luther.

Another thought:
Shouldn't we capitalize "universe" in deference to our scientific betters?

45 posted on 11/14/2005 7:27:16 AM PST by tsomer
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To: Sensei Ern
Luther was a Catholic monk who at least had the sense to realize salvation was through faith and not works or indulgences.

Luther was a drunk who violated all of his vows, altered Romans to make it better support Sola Fide, and tried to get the books of James and Hebrews removed from the Bible because of their emphasis on works. This after eliminating the Apocrapha (Sola Scriptura anyone?) He also foolishly encouraged the German Princes to violently put down the Peasant Revolt since he was upset at their interpretation of the Bible and salvation (accusing the leaders of the revolt of antinomianism), and then was shocked when 50,000 or so people were killed. He also explained away his own personal failures by denying free will - read his thesis on Doctrine of the Enslavement of the Will, which he considered to be as important as Sola Scriptura. Note specifically his allegory of Man as a Horse, which rides off to do good or ill, not of it's own volition but simply because of which rider (God or Satan) has mounted it.

But that is mostly beside the point of the topic at hand. The Catholic Church did not persecute scientists for teaching that the earth orbited the sun, whereas Luther did.

52 posted on 11/14/2005 7:39:36 AM PST by jscd3
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To: Sensei Ern

Copernicus was wrong. He tried to order the galaxy with simple mathematical calculations. It isn't that simple.

Oh crap!


79 posted on 11/14/2005 8:10:16 AM PST by moog
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