THE CATHOLIC CHURCH EMBRACES EVOLUTION!!!!

MuscleHead Revolution ^ | 11.14.2005 | Kevin McCullough

[jodiluvshoes]

In a remarkably odd statement this past week, the Vatican has issued a stout defence of Charles Darwin!

In fact Cardinal Paul Poupard, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture said that "if the Bible were read correctly" that the Genesis description of how God created the universe and Darwin's theory of evolution were "perfectly compatible."

"The fundamentalists want to give a scientific meaning to words that had no scientific aim," he said at a Vatican press conference. He said the real message in Genesis was that "the universe didn't make itself and had a creator".

He went on to advocate that the idea of creation is a theological one, while the substance of origins is a scientific one and that Catholics should "know" how science sees such things so as to "understand better."

[Mogollon]

Yes, otherwise they would not disregard Jesus' command to "call NO man your father."

Where did He say that?

[JamesP81]

For information on the difference between narrative and poetic hebrew see this.

The normal order for a Hebrew narrative sentence is

Conjunction--Verb--Subject--Object.

The order in poetic writing is

Subject--Verb--Object

-- the same as we see it in normal English. The difference is quite obvious in the Hebrew.

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Simply, and again, Genesis is written as narrative literature in the Hebrew and should be accepted or rejected on its own terms. As part of the law, and, in fact, the foundational book of the Torah, to have thought the Hebrews considered it anything but historical truth would be to indicate they had no basis for their Law. They grammar and syntax of Hebrew poetry and Hebrew narrative are quite different, and Genesis is Hebrew narrative. It was quoted as authoritative by later writers of the Bible and referred to as historical truth by the Lord Jesus Christ. Any other consideration of Genesis requires tearing it out of its historic and literary context.

Read the whole thing. Lots of good links to follow as well.

[JamesP81]

Against all commonsense they keep repeating ID/Creationist Lie again and again.

I guess the majority of conservative christians are liars. Thanks for letting me know.

[SoothingDave]

>One of the main flaws of sola scriptura is many don't seem to have an understanding of what underlying idea the Author was getting at, only the literal actual words they said.<

Based on this statement I would say Catholics have a hard time understanding who is the Author of scripture.

Really? How do you get that from that?

The Bible is a collection of works written under divine inspiration by numerous human authors over many, many years. It is the very beginning of wisdom to learn who a book's author is and what the intended message and audience was before attempting to understand the text.

To simply approach the text as piecemeal nuggets of absolute truth which can be divorced from context and applied as one sees fit is to do a disservice to its meaning.

SD

[SoothingDave]

For information on the difference between narrative and poetic hebrew

"Narrative" and "poetic" are not synonyms for "literal history" and "figurative allegory."

One can narrate allegories and be poetic when telling history.

SD

[todd1]

This entire thread reminds me when Paul wrote to the Corinthians in order to tell them to stop bickering amongst themselves. Love will overcome all things. I'm a Catholic and disagree with my friend who is Pentecostal, but we like to concentrate on what we have in common.

God Bless

[DoctorMichael]

...... I guess the majority of conservative christians are liars. Thanks for letting me know........

At the very least, you should learn to speak for yourself, and not take liberties with other people's sensibilities.

........Thanks for letting me know..........

At your service.

[moog]

Out of curiosity, I did a search and came up with this link: http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a120.htm Quote: “Also, according to the United Nations statistics there were over 23,000 competing and often contradictory denominations” Read through the article. Numbers vary somewhat between sources but it really boggles the mind.

Whatever the source we can all agree that there is a lot. I think that that we will all be surprised at the judgement day by some things that will happen. I hope to be on the "right" side though.

[JamesP81]

"Narrative" and "poetic" are not synonyms for "literal history" and "figurative allegory." One can narrate allegories and be poetic when telling history.

I do hope you read the link before posting.

[Blessed]

>To simply approach the text as piecemeal nuggets of absolute truth which can be divorced from context and applied as one sees fit is to do a disservice to its meaning. <

To treat God's word as simply a piece of literature and put more emphasis on the thoughts and context of the transcriber than the author is to twist its meaning.Far from treating the Bible as piecemeal nuggets a Christian that believes the Bible to be inerrant sees that as only possible because it has been woven together as one continuous non-contradictory story from Genesis to Revelation.

[moog]

Catholic and disagree with my friend who is Pentecostal, but we like to concentrate on what we have in common.

Nice approach. I tend to take an objective one many times myself.

[A Ruckus of Dogs]

To simply approach the text as piecemeal nuggets of absolute truth which can be divorced from context and applied as one sees fit is to do a disservice to its meaning

Which is the problem with Islam and the Koran.

[Uri’el-2012]

This entire thread reminds me when Paul wrote to the Corinthians in order to tell them to stop bickering amongst themselves. Love will overcome all things. I'm a Catholic and disagree with my friend who is Pentecostal, but we like to concentrate on what we have in common.

God Bless

Amen!

Y'shua commanded us to love both our neighbor and our enemy.

Matthew 5:43-44

May the L-rd bless you and yours!

b'shem y'shua

[moog]

It's the political atmosphere now.

[MEGoody]

a stout defence of

Defence? I guess the writer never heard of spell check.

[moog]

I wonder if it's an English (as in England) spelling of the word. I have seen the word jail spelled gaol in English works before. It is worthy to mention that they do usually put the s in place of a soft c though so maybe so.

[Netheron]

The point is that we all have a hard time understanding scripture. The Catholics just admit it.

[SoothingDave]

Defence? I guess the writer never heard of spell check.

Brits spell things funny. At least they didn't put a "u" in there.

SD

[Petronski]

Defence? I guess the writer never heard of spell check.

That's the correct British spelling.