Posted on 11/13/2005 2:28:18 PM PST by RWR8189
November 12, 2005--Unlike the Democrats, there is no clear frontrunner for the Republican Party's 2008 Presidential nomination.
Three candidates, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and Senator John McCain all are favored by more than 20% of GOP voters. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist are the only other Republicans to reach the 5% level of support.
McCain is the leader among the minority of Republicans with an unfavorable opinion of George W. Bush.
If the three leading candidates do not run, "Not Sure" takes over the Republican lead at 30%. In that scenario, Gingrich is the top choice for 27% of Republicans and Frist is next at 11%.
Senator Chuck Hagel, Senator George Allen, and Congressman Tom Tancredo were also included in the survey. None of them reached the 5% level of support.
A plurality of Rice supporters favor Gingrich if the Secretary of State is not in the running. A plurality of both the McCain and Giuliani supporters move to the Not Sure category.
New York Governor George Pataki attracts more of Giuliani's vote than any other Republican.
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A separate survey conducted earlier this year found both McCain and Giuliani leading the Democrat's frontrunner Hillary Clinton.
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What about the fact that he is a total gun grabber?
He's acceptable on fiscal issues and would probably be just fine on WOT and defense issues.
Anywhere else, he's a non-starter. I could almost stomach his abortion stance if the SCOTUS has a real conservative majority, but he's still a gun grabber.
I have heard a lot of talk of him, I think he was on Hannity a while back. I just know that I am not in favor of McCain or Ruddy. Not that I don't like Ruddy, but I think he's too liberal and I know McCain is.
I wonder who the 11 percent are who want Frist.
Don't know about that. It isn't going to be McCain, though, that's for sure.
You're right! I think his ties to the Keating 5 will come back to haunt him, as they should. He was up to hi elbows in the Savings and Loan debacle.Also from what I have read, when he was a POW, after the NV found out his father was an Admiral, he received preferential treatment because the NV thought it would help sway the talks with the US government. I don't think he had it near as bad as the rest of the POW's. It's the only reason I can think of for him to be such a pussy when it comes to National Defense. What other excuse does he have for trying to defame the "Swifties"? Talk about turning your back on your fellow Vet's! The man is just like sKerry! His only interest is his own self promotion. Certainly not my idea of Presidential material.
If that's all we have to choose from then there needs to be the following on the ballot.
NOTA
(None of the Above)
I wasnt aware that he was a gun control advocate. If he is (I have no reason to doubt you) then I withdraw my statement of calling him a conservative. If he pro abort AND pro gun control, I could never support him. I am not a single issue guy, but those are 2 big issues there, and I could never ignore both of them at once.
Just because Rudy is a gun grabbing, pro murder of unborn children who could only be elected in a far left wing city,
You think he is not a liberal.
He screamed like Dean about Florida not being more like New York where they do not allow people to have weapons to protect themselves or family.
Lol, good point. Rice certainly would deliver the S&M vote.
It's absolutely not true. I mean when I hear that McCain is "actually a Democrat", I immeadiatly think of liberals that call Lieberman a "Republican". Both of these statements are simply false. I mean look at these numbers:
ACU Ratings (lifetime)
Liebermann 17%
McCain 83%
And compare this to REAL RINOs:
Chafee 41%
Specter 44%
Snowe 51%
Collins 57%
Stevens 64%
McCain may be a McLame sometimes and act strange and so on, but saying that he is a Democrat is simply ridiculous. He is not Jon Kyl, but he is NOT a Democrat.
That's just ridiculous!
From Wikipedia:
in 1967, he was shot down over Vietnam, and was held as a prisoner of war in Hanoi for five-and-a-half years, mostly in the infamous Hanoi Hilton. When the North Vietnamese discovered he was the son and grandson of admirals, he was offered a chance to go home, but he refused to break the military code that POWs be released in the order that they are captured. He was finally released from captivity in 1973, having survived the injuries he received when he was shot down, the beatings from an angry crowd and his captors, a year of torture, and two years of solitary confinement. (...) Once released, his POW injuries prevented him from receiving a sea command, so in 1977, he became a Naval liaison to the Senate.
Public photo of President Richard M. Nixon greeting released US officer and POW and future US Senator John McCain
THIS is preferential treatment?????
My stomach turns at the thought of how he dishonored his marriage vows.
He trashed his ex-girlfriend's lawn. He's got a fiery temper, I guess...
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/georgep1.html
Giuliani, much to the chagrin of most on FR (to include myself) has the name recognition needed to overcome anything the Dems could throw at him.
McPain has the senator's curse and isn't that well known outside of Arizona, even with all of his grandstanding.
Rice is still the big unknown. We don't really know what her stands are on many many issues. She needs to clarify her stance on Abortion (the explanation she gave was more nearly Libertarian than liberal). Her lack of executive experience (meaning governorship) is a big minus. This is all assuming that she does actually run. I honestly think she is smart enough to know what a Presidential run will cost her both in family life and physically, and she may not want to go through it.
I could hardly blame her either.
It's going to be interesting.
Yup, I agree. I would support Rudy wholeheartedly, especially if GWB gets to appoint another conservative to the Supreme Court (after Alito).
Assuming you aren't a liberal, and you actually like evidence instead of how you feeeeeellllllll, then you are just wrong on this.
Even ignoring the fact that Bush signed McCain/Feingold (which, to be logically consistent, you'd then have to say Bush is no better then a Democrat either), look at the facts:
ACU Rating for McCain is 83% That's in the most conservative 1/3rd of the Senate.
A more detailed account here:
http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/John_McCain.htm
What you say simply doesn't hold water in light of the facts.
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