By Jimmy Burns and Roger Blitz
Published: November 11 2005 02:00 | Last updated: November 11 2005 02:00
Posted on 11/12/2005 4:26:25 AM PST by milestogo
Muslims warn of reaction to terror measures
By Jimmy Burns and Roger Blitz
Published: November 11 2005 02:00 | Last updated: November 11 2005 02:00
Tony Blair's hopes of securing broad political support for his anti-terrorist strategy suffered another setback yesterday when key areas of policy came under attack from leading representatives of the Muslim community.
A Muslim working group set up by the Home Office to advise on ways to improve integration and tackle extremism following the London bombings in July criticised the government's "misguided over-emphasis" on a strategy of "counter-productive counter-terrorism". It also said British foreign policy was "a key contributory factor" in motivating extremists.
With ministers and police still smarting from the defeat of their proposal for a 90-day pre-charge detention limit, the Home Office was reminded that many Muslims regard existing anti-terrorism provisions as unjust and potentially alienating, contrary to the pro-government votes cast on Wednesday by some Muslim MPs.
The working group summarised its specific concerns: "There was a strong feeling that the present regime of anti-terrorism provisions was already excessive, that it was badly implemented and that it was resulting in 'counter-productive counter-terrorism' - in some cases, even used as propaganda to radicalise Muslims."
Mr Blair's plans to ban Hizb ut-Tahrir and al-Muhajiroun, two radical Islamist groups, would send them underground and make them "more problematic in the future", the working group added. It echoed calls from several Muslim groups for a public inquiry into the July terrorist attacks and said plans for a new offence of "glorifying" terrorism would lead to a "significant chill factor in the Muslim community".
It also urged the government to understand the impact of foreign policy on Muslim opinion. "British foreign policy, especially in the Middle East, cannot be left unconsidered as a factor in the motivations of criminal radical extremists," it said. "We believe it is a key contributory factor.''
Last night, Sher Khan of the Muslim Council of Britain, praised Sadiq Khan, the human rights lawyer, for voting against the 90-day detention limit when three other Muslim Labour MPs, Mohamed Sarwar, Khalid Mahmood and Shahid Malik, voted in favour.
"The MPs that stood their ground showed they were in tune with the grassroots opinion, both of the Muslim and wider communities," Mr Khan told the Muslim News.
Lord Ahmed, a Labour peer and government adviser on integration, told the Financial Times he would vote against any extension of the 14-day limit when it came to the House of Lords, although he predicted that a majority of parliament would hold at 28 days.
"The government needs to rethink its spending priorities," he said. "Even a fraction of what is going into financing the police could be used constructively in conflict resolution, creating jobs and opportunities and preventing extremism taking hold among (Muslim) youth."
Separation is the solution to proposed integration.
If multiple nations cannot get along in an international community, where each group of people have the closest similarities to one another in their respective groups or nations, then why would anybody believe the situation would be less confused or chaotic when those groups were convoluted together?
What it will take IMO, will not be pretty. They say that a wounded animal is most viscous just before it dies. So, as mean and nasty as the kook fringe democrats and socalists are now, expect them to come completely unhinged when they are confronted with someone in power who has not a politically correct bone in his body.
There are some out there...look for them in the Republican primaries and do what it takes to get them elected....the alternative is too horrible to contemplate....like our women walking around in dirty burkas, or out and out civil war.
When are we going to get politicians who warn against warning against reactions to terrorism? Something like, "Yes, this may anger you, but if you act out on it, you're going to get some serious tough love returned your way, at about 600 rounds a minute".
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It also said British foreign policy was "a key contributory factor" in motivating extremists.
Yeah, that strategy worked so well for the French.
Bravo! You have summed up what is ahead quite nicely.
"Even a fraction of what is going into financing the police could be used constructively in conflict resolution, creating jobs and opportunities and preventing extremism taking hold among (Muslim) youth."
Finance your own slavery in other words.
All of Europe is weak and weakening fast.
You fight them on the sands and in the streets of the Middle East or else you fight them in the streets and legislatures of the West. Or you surrender.
Methinks it's time for the UK to call up Chirac to see if there are any surplus white flags.
It's the good cop- bad cop routine. The "moderate Muslims" say to the UK that you must cave in to our recommendations or we don't know if we can control our "youth"
That we aren't responsible if our "youth" riot, burn automobiles and do suicide bombings
Islam= pestilence
There. Fixed it.
The real point which needs to be made is...
You know, itellectually you are correct, however, at a certain point you just have to accept what the data says.
Muslims kill here, Muslims kill there, Muslims riot at this location, blow up their officers at that location.
After a while blaming the environment is hollow.
One fundemental cause of the French problem is MUSLIMS not wanting to adapt themselves and join the local culture of the country to which they have CHOSEN to emmigrate. (Note the significant difference with American Blacks). They are there by CHOICE. If they don't like France, they should CHOOSE TO LEAVE - not blame the French.
Sooner or later you have to accept that the unifying issue is that MUSLIMS are causing problems globally. If they are in France because their home countries are disgusting - that is again a MUSLIM problem.
Sooner or later you need to accept the obvious, and not over analyze.
Note that you are not in North Korea, and that people aren't blowing up North Koreans, and that you are not a member of a group with a significant historical record of targeting innocents with terror attacks, including murdering thousands in hundreds of separate attacks.
Change it and make it law. Be clear what behaviour is accepted and what is not.
It is time to accept Muslims for what they are, until they demonstrate otherwise. It is an incorrect assumption to believe they share our values.
It's difficult to write such law without encroaching on freedom of speech. Point taken. It is disturbing though to hear them openly threaten us all and glorify murderers.
"Sooner or later you need to accept the obvious, and not over analyze."
It's not really overanalysing to look at the actual real life situation, rather than applying the same paradigm to every event in every country irrespective of circumstances. The problems present in France would still be present if the North African population were all Christian. Religion is arguably a factor in perpetuating some of the perceived grievances and probably in some of the organisation of specific events, but it isn't the only factor.
"One fundemental cause of the French problem is MUSLIMS not wanting to adapt themselves and join the local culture of the country to which they have CHOSEN to emmigrate. (Note the significant difference with American Blacks)."
Most of the Muslim population is first or second generation French at this point, so not really a relevant distinction in any real sense.
Geeeezzz- Do you suppose the fox who is trying to raid the henhouse would be upset over my anti-fox measures to keep my chickens safe? DUH!!!!
What kind of brain cells give space to these kinds of "stories".
"It's difficult to write such law without encroaching on freedom of speech. Point taken. It is disturbing though to hear them openly threaten us all and glorify murderers."
I agree. I guess at least while they are doing that, it's easy to identify and keep an eye on them...
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