[bigeasy_70118]

I am not really sure where you guys are coming from here. But considering I often take the contrarian view on certain issues, I'll refrain from calling you Birkenstock wearing, accoustical guitar playing, magic bus driving, free love hippies. First, even if I am willing to concede your point that torture does not work, it is an absolute hinderance in the prosecution of this war to announce to the enemy that this option is off the table.

Soldiers in a legitimate army from a country that has signed the Geneva Convention should never be tortured. I think even admirers of Josef Mengele would support that position.

On the other hand, take Khalid Sheikh Mohammed for example. He planned 9/11, he has knowledge of future attacks. What if he knew of a ticking bomb that would kill millions? You would have to be morally retarded to suggest that he not be tortured. Torture for KSM would not only serve the purpose of gaining information, it would also serve justice.

[Melas]

I'll refrain from calling you Birkenstock wearing, accoustical guitar playing, magic bus driving, free love hippies.

You can just call me a combat boot wearing, heavy metal loving, Harley-Davidson riding, monogamously married biker. Not quite the same is it?

[LPM1888]

The Russians & Chinese also had plans to use nuclear weapons to kill tens of millions. Should we have used torture to obtain their secret plans?

How about the Nazis and Japanese? They used torture, should we have used torture on them as well?

Should we become just as bad as our enemies?

If we do what is the difference between us and them?

Absolutely nothing.

Maybe you want to live in that kind of nation but I damned sure don't and I will fight to my last breath to make sure it doesn't happen here.

Almost all Germans are ashamed of what happened in their nation, all decent Freedom loving Americans should be ashamed of what is happening in ours.

[LPM1888]

Torture serving Justice. That is the most distorted attempt at logic I have seen in a long time.