How about the Nazis and Japanese? They used torture, should we have used torture on them as well?
Should we become just as bad as our enemies?
If we do what is the difference between us and them?
Absolutely nothing.
Maybe you want to live in that kind of nation but I damned sure don't and I will fight to my last breath to make sure it doesn't happen here.
Almost all Germans are ashamed of what happened in their nation, all decent Freedom loving Americans should be ashamed of what is happening in ours.
Are you really serious? If smacking around someone who had information about those plans and that information contributed to making sure that tens of millions were not killed in nuclear holocaust, yes, that is justified. Would you be willing to have everyone you know and love be killed, because you refuse to do what I outline below? Come on. Get real. The insanity and incompetance would be in not doing what it takes to get information from people who have it. People, by the way, who as terrorits, have no protections under the Geneva Conventions, as I said before, which says CLEARLY people dressed as civilians, not fighting in uniform not fighting under the flag of a nation, are terrorists and have NO PROTECTIONS and may be shot on sight and have NO reason to expect quarter or capture. THAT is the paraphrased version of what the Geneva Convention says, the terrorists do not respect that towards our troops, and we respect it with the terrorits even though we do not have to. You are just flatly wrong. about this. Just because you voted for algore and f'ing kerry doesn't mean you can disregard fact, just because it's inconvenient to your political ideology. If you think you're right, read my whole post and my previous post and just try to prove me wrong.
You are grossly mislead. You and people in America who speak so strongly against "torture" are lumping together with torture ways of extracting information that does NOT involve physical abuse. Loud music, denial of sleep, only the most basic food and water requirements, hot or cold rooms, intimidation, threats, barking dogs, psychological techniques, etc, ARE NOT torture. The liberal left has spun those things to be torture and the simple fact is, they just are not. The military using those techniques to extract information, does NOT make us as bad as our enemies. The fact that you claim it does really saddens me as an American, and as the son of a Veteran who did suffer real torture from an enemy who didn't adhere to the Geneva Conventions, it angers me and is grossly insulting. You seriously need to do some research and rethink your comments. What you are saying just does not jibe with reality.
If there is an immiment threat against the United States, then yes we should.
How about the Nazis and Japanese? They used torture, should we have used torture on them as well?
You have your head in the sand, if you don't think the United States has committed acts during past wars that would be loudly condemmed today. That didn't make us as bad as our enemies. Remember in WWII, the Germans were killing innocents. There is a distinction and that distinction applies equally in the conflict that we are now engaged.
There certainly is a gray area with respect to low level Al Qaeda and Taliban, who may be nothing more than misguided conscripts. That being said, you are completely amoral, if you don't believe torture should be used in the ticking bomb scenario.