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Generational war is brewing
Tracey Press ^ | 11/10/05 | Froma Harrop

Posted on 11/10/2005 1:22:46 PM PST by qam1

America should prepare for a big fat war between the generations. It’s going to be ugly.

On one side is the baby boom generation, which retires and claims a ton of government benefits. On the other are younger workers, forced to fund those benefits plus pay the bills their elders left them.

When the war comes, the Federal Reserve chairman will have to be a general. That person will likely be Bush nominee Ben Bernanke. The question is, for which side will he fight?

Outgoing Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan tried to represent both sides. He supported the Bush tax cuts.

This gave comfort to today’s taxpayers, who chose not to charge themselves for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the new Medicare drug benefit and the quarter-billion-dollar bridge to nowhere.

Last spring, Greenspan did service for the other side. “I fear that we may have already committed more physical resources to the baby boom generation in its retirement years than our economy has the capacity to deliver,” he said.

One solution would be to ramp-up means-testing for Medicare, the health insurance plan for the elderly. Greenspan would reconfigure the program “to be relatively generous to the poor and stingy to the rich.”

The political reality is that the baby boom generation expects to see the nice government handouts its retired parents enjoyed, and then some. Younger workers expect to be taxed at today’s lower rates. One group will be very disappointed — or perhaps both groups — because there is no way the Candyland economics of today can go on.

The whole alarming future is nicely mapped out in a book, “The Coming Generational Storm,” by Boston University economist Laurence Kotlikoff and Scott Burns, a personal-finance columnist at The Dallas Morning News.

Kotlikoff and Burns clearly sympathize with younger Americans and Americans not yet born, who will be paying both our bills and their own. “Does it feel better,” the authors write, “if those unknown victims of our rapacity are someone else’s children and the children of those children and the children of those children of those children?”

Sounds like war to me. Kotlikoff and Burns try to be meticulously nonpartisan, but I won’t. Though the irresponsible policymaking spanned decades, today’s mad deficits rush us closer to disaster. Democrats are not shy about pushing for retiree benefits, but at least they consider raising taxes to pay for them. Not the current crowd, whose spend-and-borrow strategy is the 1919 Versailles Treaty of this-century America: an unstable setup that guarantees future conflict.

The scam is that the tax cuts are not really wiping the nation’s slate clean of tax obligations. When spending exceeds tax revenues, the difference must be borrowed. That debt does not disappear. It gets paid for, with interest, by someone’s taxes. So the Bush cuts simply move the taxes from one generation of shoulders to another.

Bernanke would certainly come to the Fed job with good credentials. Head of the president’s Council of Economic Advisers, he formerly chaired the Princeton economics department. Bernanke seems OK, but other candidates were more upfront about deficits.

One was Martin Feldstein, President Ronald Reagan’s top economic adviser. Feldstein drew flak for criticizing the Reagan deficits. The Bush White House wouldn’t want to hear that kind of thing. Anyway, there’s no need to worry about making ends meet when you can use the next generation’s credit card.

Another Republican contender for the Fed job was Larry Lindsey. He was fired as a Bush adviser in 2002, after predicting that the war in Iraq would cost up to $200 billion, a figure already passed. Lindsey did not understand: One simply does not talk price in the Bush administration.

Given the president’s tendency to give top jobs to those closest, we can give thanks that he did not nominate his banker brother. Neil Bush played a major role in the Silverado Savings & Loan fiasco of the 1980s, which cost taxpayers $1 billion.

Or perhaps the president was doing the big-brotherly thing in protecting Neil from a job sure to be filled with strife.

The person who heads the Fed in the next decade will be trying to steer the nation through the perfect economic storm. Good luck to the new chairman, and to all the generations.


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KEYWORDS: babyboomers; catfightingasses; generationalwar; generationgap; genx; greedygeezers
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To: thoughtomator
Are you the only one who didn't understand that the whole Schiavo controversy was about boomers wanting the power of euthenasia over their own parents?

Flapdoodle.

241 posted on 11/10/2005 4:40:38 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: RadioAstronomer
BTW, if this is the attitude of your generation, I am bloody glad I never had any children.

Which gives you even less to stand on since you didn't bother to bring any children into the world to distribute the burden with the rest of us.

242 posted on 11/10/2005 4:40:41 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Palestine is the cancer; Israel is the cure!)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Well you know why the complaining from the youngsters on here about Social Security. I don't expect the program will even be around when I retire. I also don't think military retirement will be around either but I will still do my twenty years.

Oh and some of us thinks that those who served their country like yourself shouldn't be lumped into the vocal minority that we think of as the 60's generation
243 posted on 11/10/2005 4:42:01 PM PST by Swiss
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To: chudogg
Well, I am off to other things. My family doesn't subscribe to this balderdash. We are a family, and the children help their cousins, the parents help their children, the children pitch in to help parents, and we stick together.

I am very sorry others don't have this type of family, but I think it has more to do with family tradition and ethics, rather than generations.

I hope those who are so angry can find some peace with their parents and/or children.

244 posted on 11/10/2005 4:42:12 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: qam1
You forgot your semi-barf alert.

While Bush is out of control with extending the benefits largely implemented and supported politically by Democrats, it has been the Democrats and their strategy to hide who is paying for those benefits via which hidden tax.

The author claims it is somehow bold and right to increase taxes to pay for this and shameful to implement tax cuts.

Both are wrong. Spending needs to be cut. These programs need to be privatized. The government needs to get the hell out of the nose-wiping business.

The plain truth is that no one should pick up the tab for anyone but the truly needy. Assuming that someone should (begun with Social inSecurity), set up the expectation that someone else should pay.

Tax cuts are great. But you have to cut social spending, too.

With the Baby Boomers still controlling academe, the solution to this warfare will be to seek a government intermediary to control those benefits (such as healthcare) in order to be "fair" to both payer and recipient. This will exacerbate the problem.
245 posted on 11/10/2005 4:42:24 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Tamar1973

Just remember, ABORTIONS were being done before they were LEGAL, During World War 11 many babies born out of wedlock were just given up for adoption 50's and 60's aborting babies were done in secrecy. People through out time have been having sex out of marraige in marraige producing babies they did not want. It's unforunate and sad but it's part of what goes on in life... I wanted 1 child that's it and made sure after that I would not find myself in a unwanted pregnancy.


246 posted on 11/10/2005 4:42:45 PM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: Miss Marple
What is the source of this inter-generational warfare?

Folks who denigrate an entire generation because they are brainwashed by the MSM. :-)

247 posted on 11/10/2005 4:43:06 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: qam1
"Democrats are not shy about pushing for retiree benefits, but at least they consider raising taxes to [keep the economy from growing so there won't be a large enough tax base in the future to] pay for them. "

Corrected!

248 posted on 11/10/2005 4:43:40 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: RadioAstronomer

Funny, I thought it was about confiscatory taxation to pay for the retirement of a generation that doesn't give a squat about anything but itself.


249 posted on 11/10/2005 4:44:51 PM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HUAC!)
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To: qam1
I didn't have a say in any of it. I can also say that I have never been the recipient of any government handout. As for the baby-boomers, as well as the GenXers', you're on your own baby.
250 posted on 11/10/2005 4:45:51 PM PST by semaj (qu)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Flapdoodle.

I love those old-time sayings. May I use that one? Hopefully it won't make me appear to be too old.

251 posted on 11/10/2005 4:46:09 PM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HUAC!)
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To: Swiss

Thanks! :-)

I misunderstood your post. Sorry!!

I too do not rely on SS. I save 20% of my pay. I still believe I will be working till the day I die however.


252 posted on 11/10/2005 4:46:20 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: qam1
LMAO!! I always get a kick out of these hit 'n run scumbags like Froma Harrop.

When spending exceeds tax revenues, the difference must be borrowed.

This was Harrop's chance to call for spending cuts, but naturally, that's not the kind of thing that would ever cross the mind of a liberal Democrat scumbag like Harrop.

Neil Bush played a major role in the Silverado Savings & Loan fiasco of the 1980s, which cost taxpayers $1 billion.

Yeah, a "major role". Neil Bush was actually pretty clueless, but he definitely found himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't suppose Harrop cares to remember that four of the "Keating Five" were Democrats, and that that scandal cost a whole lot more than whatever Silverado cost.

Anyway, leave it to a mouse like Harrop to reach back into the '80s bucket for some gratuitous slime to throw.

253 posted on 11/10/2005 4:46:44 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Swiss

My hubby put in 28yrs into the military, and there are still whiners and complainers that think we should not get 'almost' free medical care...I get to hear about this from crybabies who think its 'unfair'...sorry, but this was part of the deal when my husband signed up, to protect this country...


254 posted on 11/10/2005 4:47:37 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: DumpsterDiver
It wasn't an argument, it was just a tongue-in-cheek response to CodeToad's post about adult childen picking their parents' nursing home.

I've actually made tongue-in-cheek comments to my father in law something similar to that. I told him he better be nicer to my sister-in-law (my husband's sister) than he is to me or he'll end up in a nursing home with ugly nurses and liquid-nitrogen bedpans.

255 posted on 11/10/2005 4:48:12 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Palestine is the cancer; Israel is the cure!)
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To: thoughtomator
Funny, I thought it was about confiscatory taxation to pay for the retirement of a generation that doesn't give a squat about anything but itself.

Hmmm... I pay taxes. I fought for this country. I still help defend it as we speak. Yup, guess I don't care about anything but myself.

256 posted on 11/10/2005 4:48:20 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Could you plausibly say the same for the boomers as a whole? I don't think so. You may be the exception that proves the rule.


257 posted on 11/10/2005 4:49:31 PM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HUAC!)
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To: laney
Just remember, ABORTIONS were being done before they were LEGAL...

But not anywhere near the scale they are being performed now.

258 posted on 11/10/2005 4:49:58 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Palestine is the cancer; Israel is the cure!)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Heck I have it planned out to be a door greeter at Walmart in retirement.

Seriously I know several persons in their 70's and 80's who ended up working at Lowe's and Walmart because something happened and their retirement got wiped out. I don't think anyone can take their retirement for granted.


259 posted on 11/10/2005 4:51:49 PM PST by Swiss
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To: thoughtomator
Could you plausibly say the same for the boomers as a whole? I don't think so.

Well there are a whole bunch of us that served in the military under Ford, Carter, and Reagan, who would have to disagree.

260 posted on 11/10/2005 4:52:22 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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