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So, we got thwacked. Let's just be honest about it. Now what?

Posted on 11/09/2005 4:50:09 PM PST by zbigreddogz

Let's just be honest about it: 2005 was a disaster for Republicans and conservatives.

No, we never really had a chance in Jersey, even though it looked like it, but we got beaten even worse then we should have.

Kilgore blew the Virginia race. Yes, Warner's popularity was big, and yes, it's an off year election, and no, Bush isn't at the height of his popularity, but this race was mainly Kilgore's fault. Why did this happen though? What made him think he could run Hitler ads and piss off the NRA and get away with it?

California was almost a complete disaster. We lost every initiative. Sure, we made the Unions blow their wad to beat it, but they got what they paied for.

Washington State was a disaster too. I-912, repealing the outrageously expensive gas tax hike to fund undefined, unaccountable transportation projects appears to have lost, and King County Executive Ron Sims, who essentially fixed the last Governor's race for Christine Gregoire (D), was re-elected as well.

Sure, there were bright spots. Bloomberg coasted to re-election (yes, I know he's a RINO on a lot of issues, but he's still FAR better then NY D's.), we won the Mayor's race in San Diego, which isn't a small matter, and the Manchester, NH mayor's race is very interesting too, seeming as how Kerry, Biden and such campaigned for the D.

But all said and done, it seems to me that this was a much worse year for us then 2001. This is like 2003 was for the Dems. Sure, they got a few neat things (Lousiana Governor's mansion, although I think they regret that now, and Philadelphia Mayor's race), but overall, it was a good year for us going into a very important year. It seems to me, we need to think of the implications of this year, and figure out what do to from here.

I don't think I'm being overly pessimistic, I'm not. I don't think the Dems are going to get either house back next year, but to make sure they don't, I think we need to reflect a little. These aren't simple 'Drive the RINO's out!' questions, or 'Run more moderates' or any such BS. Top down, what do we need to do differently?


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey; US: Virginia; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bs; growapair; handwringing; knucklenibbler
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To: RightWinger
With Dubya's poor poll numbers, we should have gotten killed but we didn't.

You are exactly right.

61 posted on 11/09/2005 5:10:13 PM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: zbigreddogz
Blooming-idiot happens to be a Boston lib.

He put the 'R' after his name because he didn't have the guts to get into the democrat primary.

62 posted on 11/09/2005 5:10:53 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: zbigreddogz

And the ballot initiatives in Ohio, put there by Moveon.org?????????? Care to discuss that mood?


63 posted on 11/09/2005 5:11:47 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: zbigreddogz
The initiatives in WA didn't go so poorly.  Not in terms of partisanship, in any event.  I'm more than willing to trade the "loss" of the Smoking initiative for the win in King County of finally killing the damn Monorail scam.

 

64 posted on 11/09/2005 5:11:59 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Base. All Yours = Mine.)
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To: zbigreddogz

First Republicans need to stop discounting these rumblings. That's what the dems did. There are cracks in the base.


65 posted on 11/09/2005 5:12:10 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (Hello Free Republic.)
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To: Michael.SF.

I know King County was a longshot in theory, but the bottom line is that the polls were even for most of the race, and we lost in a landslide.

We lost virtually every race more then we thought we should lose it by.

That isn't good news. Had we merely LOST all these races, I wouldn't have worried as much. But we lost them more then it appeared we would. EVERY one of them. NJ, VA, King County, etc.

Again, I AM NOT TRYING TO BE A DOOMSAYER, but I think some honest reflection here, not merely shrugging it off, is wise.


66 posted on 11/09/2005 5:12:18 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz

I don't mean to be Pollyanna, and it would have been nice to get the governorship back in VA, but I see the glass as half full. What did the democrats gain? One house seat. Big screaming deal. The Republicans, on the other hand, pick up the Lieutenent Governorship. Not bad. New Jersey is a cesspool. What did you expect? Good judgement? And the way I see it, clobbering Ohio's propositions kind of cancels out the clobbering of California's props. Just one take.


67 posted on 11/09/2005 5:12:21 PM PST by rushmom (l)
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To: Windcatcher
Ohio was the big enchilada, and it's telling that the MSM won't mention it. It means that the U.S. House will stay GOP in 2006.

Even the local media are not reporting the significance.... but they also reported the Major Hackett loss as a win.

68 posted on 11/09/2005 5:12:24 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Your willing to sacrifice property rights to get rid of a monorail?

OOKKKKK. If you say so.


69 posted on 11/09/2005 5:12:57 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Well remember, there's not much for them to get excited about. Any port in the storm.


70 posted on 11/09/2005 5:14:05 PM PST by rushmom (l)
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To: zbigreddogz

I am one depressed Virginia Beach citizen.


71 posted on 11/09/2005 5:14:11 PM PST by dotnetfellow
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To: zbigreddogz

Sorry the results were STATUS QUO and any other interpertation is so much HYPE.


72 posted on 11/09/2005 5:14:32 PM PST by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: zbigreddogz
The Dems held their serve in a smattering of states in an uninspiring off-year election cycle. That's all.

Why are you trying to spin this into something it isn't?

Outside a few big blue cities and metropolitan areas there is no enthusiasm for the Democrats and their agenda. None.

73 posted on 11/09/2005 5:14:51 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: zbigreddogz

Hackett lost.


74 posted on 11/09/2005 5:15:20 PM PST by rushmom (l)
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To: rushmom

That's a more sane position then most of the people on this board, the only problem is, that California is about to drive over a cliff. Ohio merely has a cold.

If Arnold is lucky, he'll spend the next 5 years vetoing everything while desperately hoping we have a new dot.com like boom to keep the state from falling into the atlantic, economically speaking. What else is he going to do? The D's in Sacramento aren't going to budge, they can't lose, so why should they?

And California is such a huge part of our population, that'll drag the whole country down.


75 posted on 11/09/2005 5:15:27 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: onyx

Beating the Democrats simply to put in a Democrat with an R after his name? Nope, don't gove a damn about that.


76 posted on 11/09/2005 5:15:58 PM PST by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero

You're the spinner.


77 posted on 11/09/2005 5:16:29 PM PST by rushmom (l)
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To: JCEccles
Why are you trying to spin this into something it isn't? A. I'm not spinning, I'm calling it like I see it, B. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN IN 2006!!!!!!
78 posted on 11/09/2005 5:16:46 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz
California was almost a complete disaster.

Bullsh!t, we did great.
the left and their government employee buddies had to beg and borrow to come up with 20% of a billion to spend against propositions here in California.

The can NOT sustain this spending in elections and are going to collapse.

We need to put up a bunch of propositions that will cause the left massive brown spots in their shorts and let them bankrupt themselves trying to buy ads that lie the voter.

This is going to destroy the cancer that is the left in California the same way Reagan beat the other evil empire.

79 posted on 11/09/2005 5:17:06 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Flavius Josephus

Welcome to Free Republic and I do agree with you about ignoring the rumblings. I am afraid the Republican party will split in 2008 like the Dems did in 2004.


80 posted on 11/09/2005 5:17:38 PM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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