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Danny Ocean Defends The Rather Network (Ann Coulter)
Yahoo.com ^ | 11-09-05 | Ann Coulter

Posted on 11/09/2005 4:28:47 PM PST by smoothsailing

DANNY OCEAN DEFENDS THE RATHER NETWORK

By Ann Coulter 33 minutes ago

The most cosseted, self-indulgent, worthless people in the universe are worried their suffering has been downgraded. For 50 years Hollywood drama queens have churned out plays, movies, TV shows, books, poems, allegories, museum exhibits, personal testimonials, dioramas, interpretive dances, wood carvings, cave paintings, needlepoint wall hangings and scatological limericks about their victimization at the hands of a brute named Joe McCarthy. Schoolchildren who will learn nothing about George Washington, Thomas Edison or Paul Revere are forced to read chapter and verse about the black night of fascism (BNOF) under McCarthy.

But half a century of myth-making later, one little book comes out and gives the contrary view -- and Hollywood thinks it's Treblinka.

George Clooney, writer and director of the rebuttal, claims he was driven to make the movie "Good Night, and Good Luck" because "a book came out about how great McCarthy was."

Q: Ann Coulter's "Treason"?

GC: Yes.

Needless to say I was shocked to learn that George Clooney can read. Liberals haven't been so shocked by a book since "Uncle Tom's Cabin."

So, apparently, we must revisit the BNOF under McCarthy one more time. (Ethical dilemma: Would you write a book to set the record straight on Joseph McCarthy knowing that it might give rise to yet another lame George Clooney movie?)

Clooney said of his small contribution to the "McCarthyism" industry: "I realized that we had to be incredibly careful with the facts, because if we got any of them wrong, they could say it's all horse****. So I had to double-source every scene."

I don't intend to see his movie because -- except for the McCarthy parts -- it sounds like a snoozefest. (Half the reviewers so far have said "good night" to Clooney, and the other half have said "good luck.") And despite all those "double-sources," in addition to getting the big facts wrong (about America and about the Soviet Union), Clooney got all the little facts wrong, too. I guess he borrowed some of Al Franken's "fact-checkers."

As even liberal reviewers have noted, it was hardly an act of bravery for Edward R. Murrow to attack McCarthy. The New York Times was attacking McCarthy, The New York Post was attacking McCarthy and The Washington Post was attacking McCarthy. Every known news outlet was attacking McCarthy. McCarthy was in a pitched battle for his life, his career and the fate of the nation. Murrow merely jumped on the liberal bandwagon -- and rather late in the game. (You want bravery? Try sitting all the way through "Solaris.")

I gather the movie's two examples of McCarthy's perfidy are the cases of Annie Lee Moss and Milo Radulovich. As described in detail on Pages 62-64 of "Treason," Moss was a proved Communist Party member -- who happened to be working in the Code Room of the Pentagon. It was an act of sheer madness, like, say, putting a member of al-Qaida at the Pentagon today or putting Pat Leahy on the Senate Judiciary Committee. Oh wait ...

Moss put on a big Amos 'n' Andy show for a Senate committee, delighting racist liberals who happily proclaimed Moss too simpleminded to be a communist. Only thanks to McCarthy, who ignored the barrage of calumnies from liberals, Moss was moved to a less sensitive position at the Pentagon.

As for Milo Radulovich, he had absolutely nothing to do with McCarthy. McCarthy never mentioned his name. So maybe liberals have finally found the one liberal in the '50s who was not on the payroll of the Soviet Union. I don't know and I don't care.

Amusingly, Clooney said in an interview that Alger Hiss was "probably" a communist spy. By now, I believe even the Nation magazine has been forced to admit Hiss was more than that. But, Clooney says, the point is McCarthy "was wrong about 99 percent of them."

If McCarthy was "wrong about 99 percent of them," when are we going to get a movie about one of the 99 percent? I might go see that movie.

Clooney reverts to the standard Hollywood talking point, saying: "(M)ore important than that, (McCarthy) was wrong every time he denied people their civil liberties."

Ah yes, the old civil liberties canard. Apparently, the only period worse than the BNOF under McCarthy is the current BNOF under President George Bush. This was followed by the usual number of specific examples of civil liberties that had been denied: zero. Liberals churn out hysterical slander daily, but insist on acting like they are the ones under attack.

The only people being tortured are those of us forced to endure the egos of Hollywood fantasists who profess left-wing views to prove they are deep thinkers. Come to think of it, the current BNOF is a lot like the original BNOF under McCarthy.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anncoulter; communism; coulter; edwardrmurrow; georgeclooney; goodnightandgoodluck; joemccarthy; josephmccarthy; mccarthy; mccarthyism; treason
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To: smoothsailing

OK. Now I know. Thanks. You grew up in a nice place. did you do any salt water fishing?


61 posted on 11/09/2005 9:32:29 PM PST by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU (Democrats unglued), I trust this post will make you sick.)
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To: billhilly
You betcha! Spot,Croaker and Flounder! Yummy!
62 posted on 11/09/2005 9:38:12 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: steve8714; billhilly

You liberal fat chicks crack me up.


63 posted on 11/09/2005 9:43:04 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: RonDog
Yes, hard to know, all we can do is get a sense of it, or become McCarthy hobbyists. We are about 20 years too young, to have witnessed it at the creation. But we do know, that McCarthy announced he had a list of x numbers of commies, when he did not. We also know that he was a drunk, whom about a year after he was censured with lots of GOP votes, died of cirrhosis of the liver. McCarthy would never have survived 10 minutes in the internet age. And that much, at least is good.
64 posted on 11/09/2005 9:43:16 PM PST by Torie
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To: smoothsailing

No, I have not. If you have faclets from it, that are relevant, feel free to post them.


65 posted on 11/09/2005 9:43:59 PM PST by Torie
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To: smoothsailing
"You want bravery? Try sitting all the way through "Solaris."

She's right about this. I did it and it wasn't ~shudder~ pretty.

66 posted on 11/09/2005 9:44:06 PM PST by joebuck
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To: billhilly
LOL! I should add, Lake Smith is fresh water, so that's not where I caught my fish!
67 posted on 11/09/2005 9:44:32 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

We had a house in Kill Devil Hills until last fall, and for many years the beaches on the Outer Banks were my refuge.

We had fresh fish for breakfast on many mornings following my sunrise forays. Of course, I had to catch, clean and cook.


68 posted on 11/09/2005 9:44:34 PM PST by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU (Democrats unglued), I trust this post will make you sick.)
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To: billhilly

George Clooney’s Clueless Movie

by Allan H. Ryskind
Posted Oct 14, 2005


If George Clooney’s Good Night, and Good Luck is the best shot the left can unload on Joe McCarthy these days, the famous Red hunter is well on his way to a thorough rehabilitation. Ann Coulter has already begun the process in Treason and Stan Evans’ much anticipated book—due out next year—is likely to boost the late Wisconsin senator’s stock even further.

The movie is really about CBS’s star journalist, Edward R. Murrow (played by David Strathairn), and how he went after McCarthy, who is featured only in film footage from the archives. As Clooney (and most historians) would have it, the senator was a vicious, unscrupulous bully who ruined the lives of scores of innocent people by labeling them Reds. So where are the bloody corpses in Clooney’s movie? They’re totally missing. In fact, Clooney—who directed and helped write the movie—doesn’t show a single person who was done in by the senator’s supposedly reckless charges. Not one!
Murrow’s Whitewash

Nor is it even clear from the movie that McCarthy ever seriously accused anyone unjustly. He might have, but Clooney certainly doesn’t prove it. There are hints that McCarthy may have been wrong in charging Annie Lee Moss, the Pentagon code clerk, with having been a Communist Party member. But the Clooney picture is actually opaque on that point and the truth is McCarthy was absolutely right in charging her with party membership (see more on Moss below).

The Murrow character, who uses the journalist’s real words, does suggest that McCarthy was engaged in smear-mongering when he laid the wood to the American Civil Liberties Union, insisting it had been labeled a “front” for the Communists. Murrow’s retort was that the ACLU was not on any subversive list of the federal government. In Murrow’s view (and clearly in Clooney’s), that rebuttal clinched the case that the Wisconsin lawmaker was an irresponsible demagogue. But, as we shall note shortly, the ACLU was rightly considered a subversive organization during the early 1930s, the period the senator was referring to.

What’s stranger still is that Clooney dwells at some length on the case of Lt. Milo Radulovich, on the verge of being ousted as a security risk from the Air Force Reserve because two of his relatives were radicals, possibly Communists.


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69 posted on 11/09/2005 9:49:11 PM PST by kcvl
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To: smoothsailing

Annie Lee Moss

70 posted on 11/09/2005 9:51:39 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Torie
Just check with your local library, I'm sure they'll be glad to get it for you, if they don't already have it.

Then you can read it at your leisure, and decide for yourself what's relevent.

71 posted on 11/09/2005 9:51:42 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Oh, I thought you had some goodies at the tip of your tongue. I saw the newsreels of McCarthy ranting that he had a list of x numbers of Commies in the state department. It turned out to be a lie.


72 posted on 11/09/2005 9:55:21 PM PST by Torie
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To: longfellow
I would love to see her debate clooney.

George would not do that in a million years.

73 posted on 11/09/2005 9:56:31 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: kcvl
Tailgunner was right about her.
74 posted on 11/09/2005 10:21:53 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Torie
But we do know, that McCarthy announced he had a list of x numbers of commies, when he did not.

Grade A BS.

In the Wheeling speech, McCarthy referred to a letter that Secretary of State James Byrnes sent to Congressman Adolph Sabath in 1946. In that letter, Byrnes said that State Department security investigators had declared 284 persons unfit to hold jobs in the department because of communist connections and other reasons, but that only 79 had been discharged, leaving 205 still on the State Department's payroll. McCarthy told his Wheeling audience that while he did not have the names of the 205 mentioned in the Byrnes letter, he did have the names of 57 who were either members of or loyal to the Communist Party. On February 20, 1950, McCarthy gave the Senate information about 81 individuals - the 57 referred to at Wheeling and 24 others of less importance and about whom the evidence was less conclusive.

He didn't make these names public because "if I were to give all the names involved, it might leave a wrong impression. If we should label one man a communist when he is not a communist, I think it would be too bad." What McCarthy did was to identify the individuals only by case numbers, not by their names. But, he DID give the names to Senate investigators.

The [Tydings] committee cleared everyone on McCarthy's list, but within a year the State Department started proceedings against 49 of the 62. By the end of 1954, 81 of those on McCarthy's list had left the government either by dismissal or resignation.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1996/vo12no18/vo12no18_mccarthy.htm
75 posted on 11/09/2005 10:35:53 PM PST by Rastus
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To: Torie

The only lie would be if you said you knew what you were talking about.


76 posted on 11/09/2005 10:36:37 PM PST by Rastus
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To: Rastus

LOL. I admit I don't know enough to take you on. But if you are right, that McCarthy was right, and had the goods, then that would amaze me. He must have had an imcompetent staff.


77 posted on 11/09/2005 10:38:51 PM PST by Torie
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To: Rastus

Isn't the New American the Bircher or other such kook rag? Try to find something from some more creditable rag.


78 posted on 11/09/2005 10:40:28 PM PST by Torie
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To: smoothsailing

bttt


79 posted on 11/09/2005 10:41:14 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Torie

Attacking the source. Just like the other anti-McCarthy nuts. Well, there are plenty of good books on McCarthy that contain the same information, from people like Brent Bozell and William F. Buckley. Sorry if they're too right-wing and biased for you.


80 posted on 11/09/2005 10:43:20 PM PST by Rastus
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