FAR-RIGHT IN GERMANY WANTS FOREIGNERS PUT IN CAMPS AND EXPELLED

I have never heard that Islam teaches the Ten Commandments. I cannot for a minute believe that.

Thanks, so they can be told that they are not following the God of Abraham, if they ignore his commandments. Or do they consider Allah the God of Abraham?

Or do they consider Allah the God of Abraham?

They consider allah to be the god of Abraham but also consider that the jews and the Christians corrupted the true word of God. So even though the OT and the NT tells us what God wants us to do, they refuse to do it because mohammed, in the aftermath of one of his apparently epileptic seizures, said that the OT and NT was corrupted.

In reality the characteristics of allah line up more closely with one of the arabic moon gods than with Jehovah.

BTW, along with hating Muslims and Jews, they hate Americans too.

Only very ignorant people hate entire groups of other people. You may not agree with NPD but to make such a blanket statement reveals more about you than them.

BTW, along with hating Muslims and Jews, they hate Americans too....Only very ignorant people hate entire groups of other people. You may not agree with NPD but to make such a blanket statement reveals more about you than them.

Says something about both of us. I admit there are groups in America who look upon them as European cousins, the National Alliance comes to mind, but I don't think much of them either

Allied bombing terror - never forgive, never forget

[The]gangster politics of the British and Americans…They have left a trail of blood from the past to the present, via Dresden, Korea, Vietnam, Baghdad and - tomorrow possibly - Tehran. Terror and war have a name. And that name is the United States of America.
Holger Apfel, NPD
Dresden, 2/13/05

A bunch of great guys!

Whites in Germany Aim for Alliance, Cooperation
Success of Pro-White Germans worries multiracialists

After scoring a big win in an eastern state poll last weekend, the pro-White National Democratic Party has said it aims to join forces with other right-wing parties for the 2006 national election in Germany. Reports Deutsche Welle:

"National Democratic Party (NPD) spokesman Klaus Beier said his organization would hold talks soon with the ... German People's Union (DVU), which did well in a separate state election Sunday, on the creation of a 'national alliance.'

"However, an effort to recruit Germany's third major far-right party, the Republicans, failed. Their chairman, Rolf Schlierer, said that the Republicans supported the German constitution and rejected the 'systemic change' as demanded by the NPD.

"The head of the NPD, Udo Voigt [pictured], said Tuesday that his party was working for the 'defeat of the liberal capitalist system' although it claimed to support the laws that are the foundation of Germany's post-war society.

"The NPD ... scored 9.2 percent of the vote in the depressed eastern state of Saxony on Sunday and the DVU achieved 6.1 percent in Brandenburg, the rural state surrounding Berlin.

"'No chance nationally'

"Both parties cleared the five-percent hurdle to representation in the state assemblies on the back of widespread anger over the state of the economy and the government's social welfare reforms, which are also backed by the conservative opposition.

"But the NPD and DVU also cleverly carved up turf beforehand, agreeing to have only one far-right party compete in each state election. [Multiracialist] parties have vowed to isolate them in day-to-day politics.

"Although the NPD claims that the far-right could win 7 percent of the vote in a national election, analysts give it little chance of parliamentary representation.

"The [multiracialist government of Germany] failed in its attempt to have the [pro-White] NPD banned last year before the country's highest court because a number of witnesses were considered not to be credible.

"'Ban unlikely'

"German Interior Minister, [multiracialist] Otto Schily said on Wednesday the government would not make a second attempt to ban the party. But last week he criticized the court's decision to close the case against the NPD on the grounds that several of the witnesses had ties to Germany's Verfassungsschutz, the country's domestic intelligence agency.

"'A party with clear xenophobic and anti-Semitic propaganda is getting into legislatures,' Schily said in an interview with the Financial Times Deutschland. 'That is a result of a very problematic decision of the Federal Constitutional Court.'

"Schily's comments caused some members of the lower house of the German parliament to formally request time to debate the issue of the failed ban and the success of the far-right in the recent elections. Several opposition parliamentarians said Schily was wrong to place the blame for the latest rise of the extremist parties on federal judges."

In 1999, Dr. William Pierce traveled to Germany to address an NPD meeting. He had this to say about the political situation there:

Perhaps the most bizarre aspect of political life in Germany today is the consequence of Occupation legislation prohibiting any Politically Incorrect speech: at least, any Politically Incorrect speech touching on such ultra-taboo topics as race, the Second World War, and -- most of all -- the Jews. There is a special branch of the German secret police called the Verfassungschutz -- ironically, that means "Defense of the Constitution" -- whose principal responsibility is to ferret out and arrest anyone suspected of having published or said anything in public that might be offensive to Jews. The Verfassungschutz also arrests people for displaying banned symbols or for making forbidden gestures. A German patriot must be careful never to raise his right arm in any way that might be considered "provocative" by the Verfassunschutz, even if he is only shielding his eyes from the sun or greeting a friend. A great many German patriots are in prison today for having gone afoul of the Verfassungschutz in one way or another.
What all this means is that speeches like the one I gave at the NPD meeting this week must employ what amounts to a code. One cannot say in public something like, "Jews in New York, Washington, and Tel Aviv are the principal moving force behind the immigration policy that is bringing millions of non-White immigrants into Germany." One must say instead something like: "Those who are the enemies of every nation but their own are behind the immigration policy that is bringing millions of non-Whites into Germany." Using this code is a bit of a nuisance, but at least everyone at an NPD meeting -- and indeed, every politically aware German -- understands exactly what is meant.

I have read the New Testament, even though I am Jewish (Conservative denomination, specifically). I don't believe Jesus was the Messiah, no. I do believe he existed and was a great man.

>> Islam is a religion, not a cult. Cults don't promote war. << You wanted me to expand on this.

This was a response to Funky Chicken, who asserted that religions promote peace and cults promote war. Then I posted a different definition of religions. His new definition of cults is much more accurate.

I will be the first to say Islam has done many terrible things and many terrible things have been done in its name. Islam does not have a stellar historical record, especially in the last 2 centuries (and the century we have just begun). However, the Islamic world was once a beacon of civilization (without question), and has had periods of tolerance. Current strains of Islam are very dangerous (Wahabiism, etc.) That doesn't mean Islam as a whole is (and I won't say it's not either; I'm just saying that one does not necessarily mean the other is true is well). Now, I am also disconcerted by what the Koran says. However, I must judge people as individuals, and judge them by their actions (and sometimes inactions). You are free to come to do otherwise or reach different conclusions than me.

I personally know more than a few very decent Muslisms whose acquaintance I am glad to have. Nazi Germans did many terrible things to my family, but I don't hate Germans.

IMO, the Bible (what you call the Old Testament) is the Word and Laws of G-d.

All I can do is do the best I can do. That is why I urge war against the terrrorists, and a hardline against those who seek to do us harm. And that is why I will strive to protect the rights of all individuals, especially North Americans. That is why I will defend Judeo-Christian values and morals (which I do hold to be divinely given), and to love G-d. I will defend Judaism and Christianity.

And I will not become as the terrorists, because that would be letting them win. I believe G-d is on our side, and we will triumph so long as we remain righteous and true to his Laws.

FC,
Like you, I judge people individually. And in the case you gave, there is very little benefit of the doubt you could give to your stereo-stealing neigbour. As you said, we have the power to judge our fellow man, and we can judge ideas/cultures/religions/beliefs/philosophies as well.

The purpose of the laws, values, morals, principles, stories and parables that religions promote is to encourage their followers to lead a moral (as defined by the religion), righteous life. "To teach humanity to learn to give to each other in unconditional and condition ways of respect and kindnes that promote life, liberty, happines, peace, wealth creation, good will, brotherhood, unity. " This definition is not true of all religions, but it is true of many. Judaism and Christianity do promote this, as does Buddhism (with different emphases of course). I believe Islam does as well. At least in theory.

Your new definition of a cult is much more accurate. And under it, you can classify ancient Islam (under Mohammed, for example), but not modern Islam. Modern Islam is too vast to be categorized so easily. Can you classify Wahabiism that way? Yes, most definitely (except that there are many charismatic leaders).

The Islamic world is in a pit of its own making. Once, it -was- a pinnacle and paragon of civilization. Now? Islamic countries are amongst the worst in the world to live in.

The Muslism I know do not behead people. They don't bomb civilians. There are many Muslims that do, but I will not condemn people for crimes they did not commit. That would be evil, in a very real sense. Should I turn a blind eye to atrocities Muslims do commit, or pretend it is not Muslims committing them (a la France)? Of course not. That is ridiculous, and immoral in a different way.

"Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists we hear about in the world today are. Why is that? Could religion play any part?"

Of course it can, and in this case it does (at least in my opinion). Strains of Islam are encouraging terrorism. And they should be defeated, utterly. We should go and strike them down, and strike down those who would seek to destroy us. But Sodom would have been spared if there had been 10 righteous men. And there are more than 10 in Islam. There are tens, hundreds of millions.

So, by now you are probably wondering, what do I believe we should do about Islam (my post earlier not dealing with Islam explicitly and more the symptoms of terrorism)? I do believe we need to put a LOT more pressure on moderate Muslims to speak up. And I believe that many do resent and hate those who have hijacked their religion, just as they hijack planes and cruiseships and unfortunate countries.

I believe we must take a hard line with Saudi Arabia. I believe that righteous, tolerant and moderate Islamic leaders need to reassert control over their own faith before they condemn the West. And that Muslims in Islamic countries need to take back their countries from petty dictators who use Islam to distract them against the crippling realities and horrors plaguing their countries. I believe they need to take a good long, honest look at themselves, be honest and start dealing with the very real problems plaguing them.

And I believe that we must respond with full aggression and force to those who seek to do us harm. But we must act in a way that does not compromise our values: Judeo-Christian and American. And condemn an entire group because of the actions of a few (even if those few are actually many) does certainly do that.

Amalek is dead and gone. There will be many who come that hate, and seek to destroy. And they will do terrible things. But the Lord is on our side. Where are the nations that sought to exterminate the Jews now? Where is Assyria? Where is Amalek? Where is Egypt? They are dead, buried under the sands of history, while Jews live on and prosper.

The Messiah will come when he will come, and that is that. The Lord will Judge when he is ready, and that is that. I have faith in G-d that he will see us through this menace, and all the other menaces to come if we remain true to him and his Laws.

I will stand by the righteous, and I will stand by the Right. We will fight for what is right, and what is just, and for morality. We will fight for our society. We will fight against our enemies. And it may take a long time, and the cost may be high. But we will triumph, and survive, and prosper. And these enemies shall go the way of Amalek and Assyria, and new ones shall arise until they too are defeated.

Remember that as G-d is eternal, so is his covenant. We will survive, and prosper, and become a goyim gadol.

I am not opposed to the idea of you going out and trying to convert them. Go for it. ;)

And look, we will always have enemies. We should never stop fighting them, but we should not sink to their level either. I am not going to support genocide, or sophicide or any such ridiculous, evil idea. And there have been periods of Islamic tolerance. Meaning what? Meaning that there is a thin glimmer of hope.

I will never live as a dhimmi. And I would rather die a free man than live a slave. But I will not sink to committing the evil that the terrorists do.

Hence why I shall teach my kids to use guns... :)

Now that isn't exactly true, is it.

Yes, it is exactly true. If it were not true, I would not have said it.

Let's review what you 'actually' said.

You quoted my comment: "It was effective in preventing sabotage and reduced espionage." To which you appended Prove it

But if you are going to quote what I "appended," do not take it out of context; do not truncate it. Include the entire appendage. It reads, in whole, as follows:

Prove it. There is no evidence at all that the actions prevent anything that proper, constitutional and legal investigation would have done.

While I may not have been all that clear, the point I was trying to make is that the evacuation was unnecessary; that it accomplished nothing that a proper, constitutional and legal investigation would have.

That order just gave the military power to exclude people from certain areas. It was the Commanding General who actually made that Order apply to all Japanese Americans on the West Coast.

As a technical matter, 9066 gave the Secretary of War or military commanders under him the right to order the relocation. General DeWitt issued the orders for the evacuations, under authority of the Secretary of War. But that does not mean that he was the one who formulated the policy of relocating all the Japanese-Americans from that area. That was a policy decision and was the aim of 9066, as the pre-9066 policy discussions among FDR, Stimson, other cabinet officials and military commanders show.

FDR knew he was authorizing the rounding up of Japanese-Americans. DeWitt was just carrying FDR's policy. The idea of applying the order to the Japanese-Americans, en masse, did not originate with DeWitt. A military commander does not simply round up 120,000 Americans, including scores of thousands of native-born citizens, in the US proper, without the president's say so.

I am not opposed to the idea of you going out and trying to convert them. Go for it. ;)

I praise God for people called to be missionaries. I tend to be more the "Neutron bomb the entire non-english speaking world and let God sort them out type"

I am not going to support genocide, or sophicide or any such ridiculous, evil idea.

Why do you call these ideas ridiculous or evil? It's a choice of us or them. Eventually there will be only one surviving culture and for the sake of my children islam cannot be it. For a biblical parallel see the conflict between Israel and the philistines. See any phillistines around today? I didn't think so. Cultures are born and cultures die. It's time for the islamic culture to die. And it's not a great loss.

And there have been periods of Islamic tolerance. Meaning what?

Meaning that during those times the islamics were too weak to attack and they were playing possum (as it were) until they were strong enough to fight agian. A technique straight out of their scriptures.

Meaning that there is a thin glimmer of hope.

The hope is that we were able to supress them before and that we can do it again. The fly in the ointment is that we didn't eradicate islam the last time it was pressed back. Like any cancer you have to remove it all or it comes back.

I will never live as a dhimmi. And I would rather die a free man than live a slave. But I will not sink to committing the evil that the terrorists do.

In the end you will either become a slave or kill all moslems. According to THEIR scriptures there are no other choices

[I'd rather they stayed in their own lands and we could all live in peace but THEIR scriptures don't allow that so we have to face the inevitable]