Posted on 11/09/2005 7:02:46 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
Berlin (dpa) - A far-right party in Germany said Wednesday that foreigners living in the country should be put into ``collection camps'' and then expelled if French-style violence breaks out.
The National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD), which last year won 9.2 per cent of the vote in Saxony state and has 12 seats in the regional parliament, called for laws aimed at reducing the population of resident foreigners.
Germany has about 7.3 million foreigners who comprise some 9 per cent of the total population.
``If riots are organised like in France then collection camps and vigilantes must be organised in time to protect life and property,'' said the NPD.
It can extradit them though.
*awards "Palisades" a defender of America badge*
Keep up the valiant struggle against idiots everywhere. Know that your noble sacrifices and cogent points do not go unappreciated.
And Amen to everything you've said so far.
Careful, people will call you a Jihadist for agreeing with me that we should cherish our Constitutional rights.
(Blushes) Thank you, sir.
America does a good job of protecting itself. I don't see any reason to discard America's ideals in exchange for some transitory safety.
And the irony is, these goons who call me a "Jihadist" have no idea that I was actually at the WTC on 9/11, coming out of the underground mall when the first plane hit.
Given the opportunity, I would club Osama Bin Laden and his ilk to death with a hammer.
Found this...Half of this looks like it was copied from the DNC talking points.
The 25 Points of Hitler's Nazi Party
1. We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.
2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.
3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.
4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.
5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.
6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.
We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.
7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.
8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.
9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.
10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.
Therefore we demand:
11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.
19. We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.
20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.
21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.
22. We demand the abolition of the regular army and the creation of a national (folk) army.
23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberatepolitical lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:
(a) All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.
(b) Non-German newspapers shall only be published with the express permission of the State. They must not be published in the German language.
(c) All financial interests in or in any way affecting German newspapers shall be forbidden to non-Germans by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the non-Germans from the Reich.
Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.
24. We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.
The party as such represents the point of view of a positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession. It fights against the Jewish materialist spirit within and without, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our folk can only come about from within on the pinciple:
COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD
25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.
The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.
The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives.
An excellent point.
Well summed up. I don't see why Funky Chicken has such trouble grasping this idea. You cannot go around jailing people for crimes they did not commit.
5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.
And it was those two led to the wrong lessons learned by the Western elites from WWII. Why, now anyone can be our countryman with the same rights as native born citizens. Nationhood, tradition, common culture, history, religion, how passe. Unfortunately, the ever expanding, conquering muzzies didn't get the memo.
You take individualism to such an extreme over the group/State that you are willing to see the destruction of the group/State in order to preserve the rights of the individual.
Was G. Washington referring to Muslims in that address no? Now you change again and dodge my argument with Jeffersons statement. I'd would like to see the reference to this statement so I can look it up. The only group that Jefferson makes a mistake with are the "Mohammedans" as they were known back then if he stated that. Even our Founding Fathers can make mistakes.
What was your point of the letter? That we should be tolerant, indulgent, and unbigoted and give protection to citizens that might be of a religion/belief/cult that seek our destruction? Wow! I didn't know that was what he was espousing. Great Lefty thinking. Muslims are the antithesis of those great virtues. Have you found a Muslim country and found those virtues engrained in their culture? You won't answer that question because none exist.
Unethical monotheism?
Islam worships Allah the one and only god for them. This is monotheism. They are commanded to spread Islam by all means necessary whether you murder the infidel, lie to them, make agreements/pacts/contracts/treaties that you keep for convenience sake to spread Islam. Anything, no matter how unethical, justifies spreading Islam. The ends justifying the means is supported by Islam and Lefties like you and the criminal element. You haven't studied Islam have you?
To equate Muslims with Jews is pure sophistry!
When have I done that?
When you equate Muslims with all that is good and virtuous by the words of Washington you posted which was addressed to Jews who are the paragons of good and virtue and Christians follow. You had to resort to another letter by Jefferson to support your argument. Sophistry pure and simple.
Why don't you just come out and admit that you are for the Muslims and their jihad around the world?
Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
Another attack on my character by insinuating that I am a wife beater. You are so Lefty. Come one Palisade, admit that you are a Lefty. Don't hide behind cowardly attacks like this and the others that you have sent my way.
FC
On 9/10/01, I was having an e-mail conversation with a friend in Israel. I was postulating in my fair-minded, well-meaning, naive American way that "surely the Palestinians simply want to raise their families in peace, worship as they see fit, and enjoy life like every one else." Meanwhile, a Pali homicide bomber walked into a nightclub and blew himself and several Israelis to bits.
The next morning, 9/11, I was treated to the sight of people jumping out of the upper floors of the Twin Towers to avoid burning to death. Most of us were deciding if we wanted a Danish with our coffee that morning- the folks trapped in the WTC had to decide how they wanted to die.
In my opinion, every Muslim is just one "trigger event" from becoming a radical jihadist. Xenophobic? Paranoid? Racist? Maybe so. But, I don't see gangs of Protestants setting cars afire in Europe. There are no Bhuddist death-squads. Haven't heard of any Catholic homicide bombers. I don't see Jews beheading people around the world.
Any Western country that isn't putting its Muslim population under a microscope right now is holding a viper to its breast.
13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.
HILLARY '08 COMITEE
If a country has no jurisdiction over the people, it cannot punish them, except in war, of course.
And Islam is at war with the West and every other non-Muslim country. Those 22 conflicts that the Muslims are engaged must not be Islamic jihads, right?
Islam is at war with France but France is not at war with Islam. Same with the rest of Europe. What's wrong with this picture?
FC
Now that isn't exactly true, is it. Let's review what you 'actually' said.
You quoted my comment: "It was effective in preventing sabotage and reduced espionage." To which you appended Prove it
Nothing about me proving that it was necessary, only requiring that I prove that it was effective - two completely different concepts. That there might have been other effective means to accomplish the goal doesn't mean the method chosen was not in itself effective, but it might speak to necessity.
For example, we could greatly reduce the risk of Islamic terrorism in this country by expelling all Moslems. Are there other, less drastic steps which could be taken? Yes. Might they be as effective? Probably not.
In times of war where Islam has declared war against all the West et al no Muslims are innocent.
I think you are aware it is unreal?
And besides this... it resembles me... something...
Anyway...
We only love relgions that seek peace which Islam qualify for? Show me where Islam PRACTICES peace and not just mouths it. Show me all the lives they have saved. Show me their technological achievements that were allowed to development in their peaceful cultures. Can they create wealth? No. They need dhimmis for that so they can tax them.
"Um, you seem to have forgotten the black slaves living in the country at the time.
If the Founding Fathers wanted to limit the protections of the Constitution to white, Christian Europeans, they had every opportunity to do so when they drafted that document. They didn't do so- the Constitution protects the rights of all Americans, regardless of race, religion or ethnic origin."
You might not like it, but your dislike of that fact isn't worth a glass of warm spit.
You might not know this but Muslims enslave infidels to this day. The Sudanese Chrisitians are a prime example of this contiuing enslavement. At least America was able to rise above the whole slave issue and free them. Even our Founding Fathers were against slavery but saw it as a necessary evil. Muslims have not gotten over over it. And making dhimmis (2nd class citizens) out of the rest. But you won't acknowledge that since you are a Lefty.
FC
Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson
Was G. Washington referring to Muslims in that address no?
He was writing to a Jewish group, but his greater point was that America allows freedom of worship, so long as such worship is peaceful and law-abiding.
The only group that Jefferson makes a mistake with are the "Mohammedans" as they were known back then if he stated that. Even our Founding Fathers can make mistakes.
(Shrug) They left us a Constitution guaranteeing religious freedom for all, not a "living Constitution," which you seem to favor.
What was your point of the letter? That we should be tolerant, indulgent, and unbigoted and give protection to citizens that might be of a religion/belief/cult that seek our destruction?
No, that our nation guarantees freedom of religion to anyone who abides by our laws and lives a peaceable life.
Have you found a Muslim country and found those virtues engrained in their culture?
We're talking about our country, where people are free to worship as they see fit, so long as they follow our laws.
When you equate Muslims with all that is good and virtuous by the words of Washington you posted which was addressed to Jews who are the paragons of good and virtue and Christians follow.
Read Washington's letter again. Slowly. He wasn't talking just about Jews, but all religions.
Sophistry pure and simple.
You keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means:
Sophistry: a deliberately invalid argument displaying ingenuity in reasoning in the hope of deceiving someone
I do not consider my arguments to be invalid, so you should perhaps stop crying "sophistry."
Another attack on my character by insinuating that I am a wife beater.
Really, now you are being ridiculous. Everyone knows that I am not accusing you of being a wifebeater. You, on the other hand, have accused me of suporting terrorism and jihad. Stop pretending like you are the wounded party here.
You are so Lefty. Come one Palisade, admit that you are a Lefty.
I guess, in your world, "Lefty" means anyone who disagrees with you.
For the record, I am a registered Republican (in Washington, DC, of all places)and I am not a Muslim. My Republican/conservative credentials go back to College, where I was Vice-President of the U of Michigan College Republicans.
And I've shaken hands with both the President and the Vice President.
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