Posted on 11/09/2005 5:17:45 AM PST by SJackson
It is high time for European officials and the rest of us to understand that Islamism is about sedition, not religion, and that it needs to be treated as such. Extremists preaching violence and jihad against their fellow citizens should be thrown in jail, and radical organizations, subversive "charities," and hate-preaching mosques should be closed down
Not too long ago, the conventional wisdom was that Europe was going to emerge as a unified and mighty economic and political superpower. We were told it would engage in earnest, if friendly, competition with the United States, but that — thanks to its substantially larger population and productive capacity — the European Union (EU) would inevitably displace America on the world stage.
It took less than a fortnight of rioting in France, and now in several other countries of what Donald Rumsfeld has called "Old Europe," to lay bare the preposterousness of this prospect. Even before Islamists first took to the streets of Parisian suburbs, the EU was a house of cards waiting to be toppled, or burned down.
As usual, underlying conditions are clearer with hindsight. It is now unmistakable that Europe faces a "perfect storm" of socio-economic, demographic, military and Islamist challenges. As a result, the European Union is poised in the coming decades to become, at best, a strife-ridden, second-rate power, unwilling or unable to help defend the Free World. Alternatively, it may simply cease to exist as an entity, or perhaps cease even to be part of the Free World.
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Many cases frequent, and anecdotal evidence equals fact. I see.
Outside of the Wahabbist sect, please list Islamic sects that are engaging in and attempting violent conquest and violent enforcement of dhimitude?
It's not about apologetics, it's about identifying the enemy properly and correctly.
The Hadith are where the real danger lies, not the Koran. The Koran itself is no more violent than the Old Testament and no more bloodthirsty, and you don't see large bodies of Jews going around and slaughtering the wicked in the name of Yahweh, so something else is at work, here, and it's the Hadith.
The Hadith are where the various Imams twist and mold Islam into their particular visions. The 72 virgins and all that sort of stuff come from the Hadith.
There are many Hadith, and it is up to the Imams to determine their relative validity and importance. Wahabbist Muslims take the most extreme interpretations of the most extreme Hadith and declare that doctrine.
And the dirty little secret is that Christians are not all sweet and innocent in Indonesia. It's not all one-way violence, and it's not all started by Muslims.
For example, there are many Christians who think Islam is from Satan himself and the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim. Many of them are on Free Republic, apparently.
"We don't work on what religion a person is,"
Islam is not a religion. It is a terrorist organization whose plan of action is to eliminate every other religion on the face of the earth and impose religious rule everywhere using murder and the threat of murder. Organizations that have plans to murder and intimidate to force their religion on others and and who have overthrow our government are illegal. Flies in court!
That's exactly what's happening here in this country with illegals........a significant % cannot speak English (and won't learn it), they have no skills and exist only because of overly generous (and idiotic) welfare system........in effect, they're mission is to colonize.......not assimilate.
"Islam is the enemy"
Unfortunately, too few see this fact....and of those who do, too many are afraid to speak out because of fear of islamic retaliation.
You can flap your mendacious gums all you want, frgoff, but the world has just about had it with your PC garbage and your Muzzie buds.
The last few chips of the world's patience are being used up. PC is dead. Liberalism of the feculant variety that you spew is dead.
Process these truths, and start to like them, because they are the future.
People probably get confused about the religion thing because the "scum" keep screaming "God is GREAT!!!!!!!!!'" as they beat old men to death and torch communities.
I've found it to be quite a bit more violent. The oT doesn't tell us to fight against evryone who doesn't believe. In fact the commands to the jews to fight and destroy people only applied to those peoples in the promised land. The koranic command to fight the unbeliver is worldwide and endless
And the dirty little secret is that Christians are not all sweet and innocent in Indonesia. It's not all one-way violence, and it's not all started by Muslims.
That's odd. I don't recall seeing anything in the MSM that detailed where th Christians attacked first at any point. And with the por-moslem anti-Christian bias of the MSM I know they wouldn't miss an opportunity like that.
For example, there are many Christians who think Islam is from Satan himself and the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.
Islam is from Satan. And unfortunately there are no good moslems. I pray that God saves and changes each of them but if they won't be saved and be changed I pray that God will kill them before they drag others into hell with them.
Our laws need to be enforced, and no one should be here illegally, but if we are going to fix this problem we can't get hysterical about their real motivations for coming here. 99% of it is economic. Some DO come for the welfare, but most come for labor, which (based on where they are coming from) IS welfare.
And studies I've seen say that legal or illegal, Hispanics learn English in a much shorter generational time than Germans and Swedes learned English in the 19th century. Again, it doesn't take away from the fact that they are here illegally, but the "La Raza" kind of emphasis by immigration reformers will only hurt the cause, especially if it's not true.
You might use some common sense and admit that you don't know much about Islam; that you've never read the Koran (except the few passages everyone quotes); that you don't even know what the Hadith is; that you couldn't tell RELIGIOUSLY a Sunni from a Shiite from a Wahabbist. For example, how about if you tell me which Muslim religious leader has the most authority when it comes to interpreting what the word "jihad" means?
I agree with a lot of what you say but I'm not sure you understand the depth of the problem. Sure, they're here to work (a good thing) but many businesses that used to employ Americans have slowly replaced those folks with illegals that don't pay FIT or FICA themselves plus the employer gets to evade several types of payroll taxes that he used to pay so that add'l burden is shifted to other taxpayers and it's getting worse all the time.
Add to that these same employers can also pay them a minimal wage knowing full well that taxpayers will also be forced to supplement their employee's expenses for food, medical, housing, etc. Is this not the true definition of corporate socialism and an insane way to deal with this problem? These policies have been devastating to many hospitals, school systems, jails, etc. and it's only going to get worseas these idiots try to sneak through the FTAA and the American Union.
All this from the same groups of leaders that run deficit after deficit every year and have essentially bankrupted our country and are pulling every trick in the book to keep the illusion alive that we actually have the funds to be the world's welfare sugar daddy. You can't take such a simplistic outlook on this very serious problem if you want to see this country survive in it's present form........illegal immigration is without a doubt a key component of the DE-construction of this country.
I would dedicate resources 70/30 to border security and then business back-checking.
Thanks for the tip that dictionaries define the world. But attacking my credibilty does not change the nature of islam nor does it change the fact that islam can be outlawed on the basis of the actions of substantial numbers of islamic leaders and members.
Thanks for handling that.
By this it means that:
1) If the person is GOOD by western standards and non-violent therefore they are BAD because they have strayed from the Jihad which is the core of Islam.
2) Conversely if they are BAD by western standards and violent, they are GOOD because they have faithful to Jihad which is the core of Islam.
Do you know it's as absurd for a westerner to claim that all Muslims interpret "jihad" the same way as it would be to claim that all Christians interpret the "Holy Spirit" the same way? (They do not, and they do not).
Credibility or not, you owe it to the board to provide some credible answers.
For its part, the United States must contemplate a future in which Europe is no longer the reliable ally, philosophical soulmate, and fellow pillar of Western civilization that it has been for the past two centuries. In the worst case, some regions or countries of an Islamicized Europe could conceivably become an adversary in the longer term.
I concur. And I also agree that we "should continue to offer friendship and assistance to those Europeans that share our vision of freedom, individual responsibility, and opportunity." This article mentions that the United Kingdom and the Eastern Europe countries would include political, economic, and military ties, as well as policy coordination.
Now there yoiu go making sense again! JUST STOP IT!
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