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LIVE THREAD - California special election (props 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80)
California Secretary of State- Special Statewide Election ^ | Tuesday evening November 8th

Posted on 11/08/2005 8:20:03 PM PST by ajolympian2004

TODAY, Californians are heading to the polls to vote on several major propositions that shall dramatically affect both the political and economic future of our state.

We are following the activity and will report the results.

California Propositions

2.8% of precincts reporting as of Nov 08 08:13 PM PST

Results: http://www.sfgate.com/election/

(Excerpt) Read more at vote2005.ss.ca.gov ...


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To: goldstategop
No. But looking at the election results, it would have made no difference. This is one of those times I felt it wasn't worth the bother. I felt the same way in 2002. As a conservative, why bother when the deck is stacked against you? Its not like the people of this state agree with my views.

It looks like about 1,000,000 other Californians felt the same way you do. Forgive me for being blunt, but if you didn't vote, you have surrendered your right to criticize anything that happens in your state. Not voting is the same as voting for the winner.

1,261 posted on 11/09/2005 6:54:58 AM PST by TChris ("The central issue is America's credibility and will to prevail" - Goh Chok Tong)
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To: RockinRight
You well describe "some" of California...but only the coastal 40 miles or so...once you get inland (such as here in Riverside County) you get a Repub/Dem ratio approaching 60/40.

The reddest of the red states can't generally boast that percentage.

1,262 posted on 11/09/2005 6:55:06 AM PST by ErnBatavia (Frist would be a great Majority Leader if he had 65 seats..make that 75)
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To: conservative in nyc

Redlands is in San Bernardino county. Have you heard if it passed (cross on city seal)?


1,263 posted on 11/09/2005 6:55:21 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: ErnBatavia

If I were a Californian I'd almost want to split the state up:

West California, which would be basically the entire coastal area to 40 miles inland, but leaving out San Diego, which would go to the new East California along with the rest of the state. So basically West California would be the LA to San Jose to San Francisco corridor, and East California would encompass Sacramento, Stockton, San Diego, etc.


1,264 posted on 11/09/2005 6:58:56 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: bybybill
The correct answer should have been anybody but Hillary

Wrong. The correct answer is a good Conservative Republican. And if all you've got are a bunch of Liberal RINOs, then you are offering nothing but Hillary Lite. This ABH campaign is nothing but a not-so-thinly-veiled attempt to turn the Republican Party into the GOP wing of the Democrats. I won't have anything to do with such an abomination.

1,265 posted on 11/09/2005 7:00:01 AM PST by Prime Choice (I can open hearts and minds effortlessly. I have a hacksaw.)
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To: NormsRevenge
... here's the (M)ilk cheerleading squad tonight? ...

The 'ilk' are being exceptionally quiet. Their mission accomplished, for now?

1,266 posted on 11/09/2005 7:01:29 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: RockinRight

Proposition 76. Would've allowed the governor to cut state spending including emergency cuts in education spending (which are mandated by state law)when the legislature cannot present a balanced budget. It was attacked as a measure that would "hurt the schools" -- crowded classrooms, no immunizations, etc. Very strongly attacked by the teacher's unions.


1,267 posted on 11/09/2005 7:01:53 AM PST by GVnana
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To: newzjunkey
Not true. He endorsed Prop 73 on John & Ken's show on KFI. And also on Roger Hedgcock's show on KOGO.

That's a distinct departure from his fliers. What you're seeing there is Arnold on a right-of-center program throwing Conservatives a very small bone in hopes that it will entice them to support his measures. But you look at any mailer from the Arnold camp and the only thing you see on th efront cover is VOTE FOR 74, 75, 76, 77. No mention at all of Prop 73. NONE.

And ads by the CA GOP supporting 73? If they were made, they were never printed or broadcast in my area. But there was mondo saturation of the airwaves claiming that 73 "put our daughters lives in danger."

And people wonder why 73 went down in flames? *snerk*

1,268 posted on 11/09/2005 7:03:38 AM PST by Prime Choice (I can open hearts and minds effortlessly. I have a hacksaw.)
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To: goldstategop

I really believe that the reason they beat us over the head with polls is to convince conservatives to not bother to vote. It's easy to discourage some voters apparently. It happened in the Bush Gore vote when Republicans didn't vote when they heard Gore already won Florida. It's a shame that so many people fall for it.


1,269 posted on 11/09/2005 7:03:47 AM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: TomasUSMC
And this isn't even an Anti Abortion law, its to just notify the parents right?

In the eyes of the Leftists, any speedbump to killing an unborn child is "anti-choice." And they pitched their opposition precisely as that.

Leftists love the idea of government trumping parents. This helps fulfill their creeping socialist nightmare.

1,270 posted on 11/09/2005 7:05:00 AM PST by Prime Choice (I can open hearts and minds effortlessly. I have a hacksaw.)
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To: goldstategop
**And no, I didn't vote yesterday - saw no reason to. **

Shameful, imo.

1,271 posted on 11/09/2005 7:05:40 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Another thing to be thankful for this morning, that I left California.


1,272 posted on 11/09/2005 7:08:09 AM PST by claudiustg (Go Bush! Go Sharon!)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
If a million more of us turned out, the results would have been the same. We'll see if its any different in '06. It feels good to vote for a winner.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

1,273 posted on 11/09/2005 7:08:39 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: TChris; goldstategop
***It looks like about 1,000,000 other Californians felt the same way you do. Forgive me for being blunt, but if you didn't vote, you have surrendered your right to criticize anything that happens in your state. Not voting is the same as voting for the winner.***

My thoughts exactly.

1,274 posted on 11/09/2005 7:09:23 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: hattend

Just damn.


1,275 posted on 11/09/2005 7:09:49 AM PST by null and void ("if he mentions "The Noodle Incident", remember, I had nothing to do with it.")
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To: mrs tiggywinkle
Its a personal call. I frankly felt my vote would have been wasted. The morning after, nothing's changed.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

1,276 posted on 11/09/2005 7:10:12 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

You have NO room to criticize how the props turned out then.


1,277 posted on 11/09/2005 7:12:02 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: mrs tiggywinkle
I have expressed my views. The majority of Californians feel quite differently. They may be a horse's ass in their thinking but in a free society people have a right to be wrong.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

1,278 posted on 11/09/2005 7:12:09 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: SpringheelJack
errrr...we have "conservative areas"?

Yep. You go anywhere else in the state besides San Francisco?

Okay, FRiend. Have a look at this map and tell me where these "conservative" bastions are. I'd like to know because, looking at the percentages, there was a resounding lack of response from them.

Hell, looking at the results here, they may as well have all been San Francisco!

...or worse, Berkeley.

(From Message #1251 on this thread.)

1,279 posted on 11/09/2005 7:12:19 AM PST by Prime Choice (I can open hearts and minds effortlessly. I have a hacksaw.)
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To: Prime Choice

Amazing. So Californians want the government to spend as much as they want, allow minors to have as many abortions as they want without their parents knowing about it, allow crappy teachers to work for just 24 months, after which time they can never be fired for doing a crappy job, and allow unions to spend their members' dues for political purposes without asking its members if it's ok.

I can't imagine being of the mindset where that line of thinking is rational or even the least bit ethical. I'm speechless.


1,280 posted on 11/09/2005 7:13:18 AM PST by kruelio
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