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Kansas State Board Approves Teaching Standards Skeptical of Evolution
Fox News ^ | 11-08-05 | WestVirginiaRebel

Posted on 11/08/2005 4:10:06 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel

TOPEKA, Kan.-New science standards for Kansas' public schools, criticized for promoting creationism while treating evolution as a flawed theory, won approval Tuesday from the State Board of Education.

The board's 6-4 vote, expected for months, was a victory for intelligent design advocates who helped draft the standards and argued the changes would make teaching about evolution more balanced and expose studels teach science.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: creationism; crevolist; junkscience
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To: HHKrepublican_2
Exactly wrong.

Now that the supernatural is to be taught as science, in our multicultural multi-ethnic society, we get to fight over which supernatural agent is responsible for creation and evolution. Now school authorities get to argue over which religious explanation is the right one. Lawsuits shall abound between Fundamentalist Christians, muslims, wiccans, hindoos, animists, and if they have the energy for it, unitarians (surley they believe in something). What a delightful show it will be.


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41 posted on 11/08/2005 4:53:51 PM PST by colderwater
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To: jbloedow
And some great children's stories about things like how the giraffe got its neck, and that splendid horse evolution series, and that little gem called Piltdown Man, and those pepper moths in Manchester which evolved into ... pepper moths, and ...

And we'll replace them with the sun and moon standing still, a 6,000 year-old earth, and a global flood. Now that's a gem for you!

42 posted on 11/08/2005 4:55:34 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman
Evilution ping. Meet the new boss.
43 posted on 11/08/2005 4:57:20 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Yeah, and look at all that home schooling being done by those Christians and how poorly those children are doing in academia:>)


44 posted on 11/08/2005 4:57:45 PM PST by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

ALL we have ever asked is that an alternate beginning theory was taught. I beleive strongly in science, while your side believes just like the abortionists: the more information people have is bad because you just may lose some of your power.


45 posted on 11/08/2005 5:01:51 PM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: vpintheak
ALL we have ever asked is that an alternate beginning theory was taught.

I like the Ojibwa creation story. Can we choose that one?

46 posted on 11/08/2005 5:02:59 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (If you love peace, prepare for war. If you hate violence, own a gun.)
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To: qam1
Kansas longs for the good ol' days


47 posted on 11/08/2005 5:03:16 PM PST by JasonSC
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
The newly approved Kansas regulations, which don't require the teaching of intelligent design, are significantly broader. They not only question the theory that all life has a common origin, they also rewrite the definition of science, holding that it no longer is limited to searching for natural explanations for natural phenomena.

Reason #654,377,653,538 to homeschool.

I am, frankly, appalled that people would support such a move. I believe the movement to redefine science in this way, however well-intentioned, does a disservice to students. It is also a disservice to both science, as well as faith in the Lord. We all know where a road paved with good intentions leads.

There is something rotten behind this movement to water down science. I don't know what it is, and I don't know who's behind it, but something about the political movement to misuse science in this way raises warning flags for me.

How does one rightly justify redefining science to include the supernatural? Is it because the schools are bad? Is it because these students need to be taught morality? Of course students need to be taught morality, but who should do the teaching? Is science class the appropriate venue for doing so? Why not parents? Aren't parents teaching their children morality? And if they're not, why the schools?

Is science such a threat to faith, that children need to be taught the wrong things? How does one teach morality by lying about what science is? Is faith so weak today that some people feel the need to utilize the strength of science in order to give credibility to religion? What lesson would children take to heart from such a deceitful message?

The famous Orthodox rabbi Dr. J. H. Hertz (1872-1946) wrote:

God the Creator and Lord of the Universe, which is the work of his goodness and wisdom; and Man, made in His image, who is to hallow his week-day labors by the blessedness of Sabbath-rest -- such are the teachings of the Creation chapter. It's purpose is to reveal these teachings to the children of man -- and not to serve as a text book of astronomy, geology, or anthropology. Its object is not to teach scientific facts; but to proclaim highest religious truths respecting God, Man, and the Universe. The "conflict" between the fundamental realities of Religion and the established facts of Science, is seen to be unreal as the soon as Religion and Science each recognizes the true border of its domain.

48 posted on 11/08/2005 5:10:43 PM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; ...
And the dumbing down of American education continues.

So if in the next decade the biologists decide that random mutations plus natural selections cannot explain the speed and purposefulness of evolution and that living organisms are designed in intelligent way propelling the useful changes, THEN WHAT? Will you be for prohibiting the presentation of the obsolete Darwin theory?

Should the obsolete Newton physics be banned from the schools? Should earlier scientific theories like the ones of Aristotle to be banned too?

Are the XIX century concepts of blind randomness and competition necessary for the establishment of secularist belief system?

49 posted on 11/08/2005 5:11:52 PM PST by A. Pole (George Orwell: "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.")
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
The people have spoken and have said NO to commies, athiests and monkey worshippers!

And science, don't forget that. They said "No" to science, too.

50 posted on 11/08/2005 5:12:50 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Right Wing Professor
Astrology, anyone?

Rumors that the board is planning to introduce alchemy as a science elective have not yet been confirmed.

51 posted on 11/08/2005 5:14:13 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: jbloedow
What's next!?!?!?! Education?

Not if the school board has any say in the matter.

52 posted on 11/08/2005 5:15:55 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Liberal Classic

The New-Ager, Scientologists, PostModernDeconstructionistTextualizers, Creationists, Father Moon Followers, and their soulmates, Harun Yahya, have done their best to destroy science.


53 posted on 11/08/2005 5:16:26 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
Kansans have evolved. Say NO to evilution theology.

But nothing intelligent in designing the new standards.

54 posted on 11/08/2005 5:18:29 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Tamar1973
I find it interesting that Freepers claim that they want both sides heard, discussed, debated, and disected but when people ask that the same standard applies in public school science classes, fair debate and discussion are suddenly verboten.

Elijah Muhammed, founder of the Black Muslims, taught that the white race was created by black scientists in a test tube 10,000 years ago. Is that an acceptable intelligent design explanation?

55 posted on 11/08/2005 5:20:47 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: TheHound
Yeah, and look at all that home schooling being done by those Christians and how poorly those children are doing in academia:>)

Oh, sure, point out how brilliant, intelligent, and well educated these kids being taught by UNSCIENTIFIC neanderthals are! But can they put a condom on a banana in the dark? And I bet they suck at performing abortions. So really, what good are they without a circularly defined SCIENCE education?

56 posted on 11/08/2005 5:21:38 PM PST by jbloedow
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Score one for the Unification Church.
57 posted on 11/08/2005 5:22:09 PM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
But nothing intelligent in designing the new standards.

I think that was the first genuinely amusing and witty dig from your side on this thread. Good one. :-)

58 posted on 11/08/2005 5:23:06 PM PST by jbloedow
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

In addition, the board rewrote the standards' definition of science, so that it is no longer limited to the search for natural explanations of phenomena.

Pandora's Box opens.

59 posted on 11/08/2005 5:27:45 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
NO to commies, athiests and monkey worshippers!

Huh? Hindus were involved? And you'd think you'd know how to spell "atheist" by now, since you see them everywhere you look.
60 posted on 11/08/2005 5:30:15 PM PST by whattajoke (I'm back... kinda.)
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