Bill Could Ban Smoking In Car With Kids

ClickonDetroit ^ | November 8, 2005 | AP

[ShadowDancer]

Bill Could Ban Smoking In Car With Kids

Studies Show Secondhand Smoke Impairs Respiratory Health

POSTED: 11:14 am EST November 8, 2005

LANSING, Mich. -- Smoky car rides to school may soon be illegal.

Using a lit tobacco product in a vehicle with a person under 18 would be a civil infraction under a bill to be formally introduced Tuesday by Rep. John Moolenaar, spokesman John Whetstone said.

"We've all seen it on our streets and highways, children in the back seat, smokers in the front, and your heart just goes out to those kids," said Moolenaar, R-Midland.

The bill would allow police officers to pull over drivers who are smoking with children in the car, Whetstone said. A fine for the infraction would be set by the courts.

Several studies indicate that secondhand smoke causes lung cancer in adult nonsmokers and impairs the respiratory health of children.

An estimated 150,000 to 300,000 children under 18 months of age get pneumonia or bronchitis every year from breathing secondhand tobacco smoke, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

[Calpernia]

I know many don't click links and read ;)

At least when it is posted, those that read can highlight and post in responses with links back to it.

[patton]

The idea was that one's immune system is "impressed" by the environment momments after birth. If you are born in a ditch, you are impressed by normal outdoor bacteria, and are thus not sensitive to it - on the other hand, if you are born in hospital, you are impressed by wierd hospital bugs, and tend to react oddly to the stuff outside.

Thus, allergies - and asthma is just an allergy.

'Scuse the infantile description - I am not a doctor, just a rocket scientist...

[Calpernia]

My hubby is a doctor and he agrees with you.

;)

[Taliesan]

By "multiple causation" I mean it is possible that second-hand smoke contributes to respiratory difficulty in children even though the two incidences are moving in opposite directions.

Whether or not there is any long-term medical sequelae, a good parent will not force their children to breathe smoke.

This is so obvious as to be beyond debate among civilized people.

[patton]

Oh, cool - I love it when people agree with me. ;)

[patton]

Do you know that the largest metastudy on ETS ever conducted concluded that ETS has a prophylactic effect? That's right, it is actually good for you.

So...what was obvious, again?

But don't take my word for it...go ask the WHO. They conducted the study.

[backhoe]

I know many don't click links and read ;)

That's always been a problem, and linked articles have a nasty habit of vanishing, too. It's better to post it here if possible.

[Calpernia]

Now compare your infantile description to post 64.

You were short, sweet, to the point. No mistake about what you were saying.

Now look at post 64. Run on sentences encased with large syllable words. Uses comparisons that have nothing to do with each other to support, such as, 'if this' therefore means yes.

I will take infantile description. Post 64 sounds like it is modeled after a used car salesman.

[Gabz]

Car exhaust is more dangerous than second hand smoke.

EXACTLY.

And that is exactly why not one of these anti-smoker, pro- ban types has ever taken me up on the idea of him or her sitting in an enclosed garage with a car engine running for an hour while I sit in an identical garage with 100 smokers and we would discuss it at the end of the hour...........that is of course if the anti comes out not on a stretcher.

[patton]

see #66. LOL.

[Calpernia]

>>>>Do you know that the largest metastudy on ETS ever conducted concluded that ETS has a prophylactic effect? That's right, it is actually good for you.

A bunch of us were following the SARs threads when they were hot topic and there was one that showed people that smoked didn't catch it.

We have local elections tonight....I will see if I can do the searches in a separate browser.

I know what bump list thread it is in.

[Taliesan]

Good parents do not force their children to breathe smoke. People who want to argue about whether this is true or not are not rational adults.

Addicts will perform all manner of moral and intellectual gymnastics to defend their addiction. It is laughable to hear adults argue that forcing children to breathe smoke is "good for them", but not surprising.

If that is your view, you have a clinical problem. Seek help.

[pageonetoo]

[Calpernia]

What about car exhaust?

[Gabz]

Most excellent and powerful letter. I look forward to finding out if you receive a response.

[Gabz]

Dave Hitt, aka the Hittman, has done phenomenal work on this issue over the years........

[pageonetoo]

I know one person my age with asthma,

My second son has asthma. He is a high school music teacher, and accomplished trumpet player...

He smoked cigarettes, in spite of it... but now has quit.

PS- he plays big band and jazz... if anyone wants booking info (VA, DC, WV, MD, NC). Click pic for demo...

[patton]

So....people who expose their children to cow pox are equally as guilty, right? After all, is is a minor, non-fatal infection, usually clears up in two or three days.

Of course, Dr. Thomas Salk established that preexposure to cow pox made one immune to small pox, which will kill you.

Sigh. Parents addicted to cow pox. They should be shot!

Sir or Madame, if you claim to understand the human imuniological system, you are making a claim not supported by science, anywhere. Please write your knowlege up for posterity...you will save untold human lives.

Your "obvious" is refuted everywhere, and you still continue to push it.

Go with that, I could care less.

[Gabz]

Great analogy.....even for a rocket scientist :)

However, there is no way you can be a rocket scientist and be against such things as this proposal.......at least according to the antis I have the unfortunate privilege of encountering who claim that only drunken trailer trash are smokers or oppose smoker bans and higher smoker taxes.

[Taliesan]

Car exhaust is worse for breathing than air. Also, the sky is blue.

Honestly, addiction clouds logic. For example, you might find yourself thinking some form of this pathology: if a little bad thing A is unavoidable, then a worse bad thing B is ok, and even good.

If you find yourself entertaining any form of that reasoning, you are no longer focused on loving your children, rather, you are focused on defending your addiction.

Seek help.