Posted on 11/08/2005 10:11:15 AM PST by SelectiveJNJ
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=kaplan+abschiebung
Your government knows the truth, they just politically can’t openly admit it.
1. Some in Europe pretend there is no threat since admitting there is one means you might have to “DO” something, which the Germans really don’t want to.
2. The Germans are so far left (Green), pacified, anti-American that any admittance or “public” support for the US war on terror would backfire politically.
Example: Schroeder in 2001 after 9-11. After he spoke of “Uneingeschrenkte Solidarität” he was immediately attacked in the media and even from the left ranks within the SPD/Greens. He quickly backpedaled. So we got attacked and Germany our NATO ally tries to "rationalize" why they can not and should not help us.
You are an unreliable ally and you are hollowing out your own society. You are a society where your politicians pander to the votes of Muslim Turks as Schroeder did in the last elections. Nice to see Schroeder on Turkish shows catering to the 600,000 Turkish voters in Germany. How does this make you feel? Rome fell from within, and your falling.
Beslan
Moscow theater
Bali
Terror in the Philippines
Pearl
2 hijacked Russian planes flown into the ground
Russian train bombing
Genocide in Sudan
9-11
USS Cole
Kohbar towers
US embassies
London
Madrid
WTC I (1993)
Van Gogh
Insurgency in Thailand
Terror in Israel (Of course a German will say it’s the “Jews” fault)
Terror in Egypt
Foiled attacks in Australia/US/Germany/…….
Kind of strange when Dutch politicians go into “hiding” isn’t it?
The list goes on and on and on, and that’s just in the last 12 years.
Sure bud, tell yourself there is no Islamic threat! You keep telling yourself that. You know what you forgot? You forgot to mention the American Indians! Yea, you should have mentioned them too.
Go crawl into your cave. Go away. Go post something in some “Der Spiegel” forum. Just say these words “Hegemony, imperialism, oil, Bush, cowboy”; you’ll be understood and fit right in.
In the meantime, behind closed doors, without much public advertisement YOUR country changed the “Abschieberechts” http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abschiebung_(Recht) , is monitoring Mosques, France has restricted immigration, banned the wear of headscarves………….. Are you “really” so naïve to think Italy didn’t know we were eliminating people? (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=italy+cia+abduction ) Do you think Italy was not behind the scene supporting this?
Islam preaches hate. Instead of regurgitating some Hollywood perspective, some Main Stream Media BS, or your bad German public education spin of history; why don’t you open the Koran and –READ-. The book is not classified, it’s accessible to you. You’d be surprised what you find.
Most of the Muslim world is:
a. Ignorant. Iraq is one of the BETTER countries and they only have a 60% adult literacy rate.
b. Organized around religion. The power brokers in most of the Islamic world are the Imams and religious leaders.
c. THEY see the world in terms of “US against them”, and you my friend are an “infidel” as well. You are one of “us”, even if you claim not to believe in God, you’re still an infidel, in fact then your not even a “person of the book”. The Koran spells out what to do with you!
If you question what I’m saying, then take your happy rear to Saudi Arabia (One of the better Arab countries) and talk about religion and try to build a church there. Why not, we let them build Mosques in N. America and Europe! You see, in your “We are guilty, we are bad, we are close minded, we are horrible” self flagellating approach to this you miss the blatant fact that the violence here is perpetrated by them, not us. They are the ones who will cut your throat. They are the ones that “BAN” any discussion of Christian religion in their countries, which force you to wear headscarves. They are intolerant and violent and you feel guilty. Maybe what you need to do is apologize to Osama. Apologize to him, after all he just attacked us because we’re so bad!
http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/tgpndx.htm
Read a little, instead of telling us it’s all our fault why don’t you look at who (GLOBALLY) comprises over 75% of all terror groups. Who accounts for nearly 90% of all (GLOBAL) terrorism?
In it’s most elemental perspective. It does not matter if most Europeans are secular, tolerant and want to coexist. There are radical Islamic groups out there who want you “dead”. They want you dead for no other reason than your lack of accepting the prophet Mohammed. Even if you think Religion is silly, petty and not worth bleeding over, it isn’t that way to them. They have a very different perception, and their vote matters.
Alles ist gut, es gibt keine Gefahr! Ask Schroeder.
Red6
We have a saying here in America that is applicable to you: You're stuck on stupid. Our media is not controlled by the nefarious 'military industrial complex'(I doubt you even know what that is apart from some propaganda quote that has been fed to you), but free, guaranteed under our Constitution. Your media is far more controlled by the government than ours. How much time have you spent living outside of Germany? Sorry EUC, while thinking you are so worldly wise, you are the clueless one. BTW, try using the spell checker to assist your lacking skills.
LOL! Our media gives the same socialist anti-Bush anti-military crap that your media feeds you everyday.
I guess unlike you at least 50% of the US does not fall for propaganda....perhaps we remember your European history far better than you do, remembering what has happened every time in the past when Europe has let in to many muslims.
Whether you like it or not you have a war coming, just as it came to us and will continue to come to us. All of your appeasement and toadying to muslims have not diverted it, because it is about only one thing you surrendering to islam, and since it looks like all of the men left France centuries ago I am guessing burkas will be the new French fashion statement in 20 years.
I've been to Iraq for 15 months thanks to the US Army. You?
I’ve been to Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait for business and leisure in the past. You?
You're an ignorant menace to the human race and Christian faith. Your demise as a society is well earned.
You have become weak and old, lack resolve and frankly deserve what is happening in your society.
So besides what you as a well educated German “think” you know from such well reputed magazines as “Der Spiegel”, what first hand knowledge do YOU bring to the table?
It’s only a matter of time my friend. It’s only a matter of time :) For now we are fighting the fight. All attention is on us. The radical Islamist targets us as you proudly suggest. We are the target because we are the ones fighting him in the Republic of Georgia, Iraq, putting the pressure on Iran, in Sudan, Sinai, putting the pressure on Syria, fighting in the Philippines, even in Afghanistan it is the US that is conducting the combat operations. You are right, OUR enemy wants to hit US in the nose. Why would they want to go after a nation that “appeases”? You go after the throat, the leader, the symbolic power. That’s us, not you.
But it’s YOU that has high Muslim populations, are within missile range from Libya, have vast open and porous boarders to your East and are resource dependent on these backward dictatorships for your resources. Long term you will be confronted with this issue. Presently you don’t want to face the issue, but eventually it will corner you.
We know, we know- In the Cold war you could not and did not see the communist threat. You saw no connection with Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Cuba. Today you choose to live on in your ignorant bliss in regards to the Islamic threat. Let the Americans fight this war and then be proud of the fact that as a appeasing wimp, "YOU'RE" not a target. I don't know if I'd be "proud" of that, as you seem to suggest.
Go away. Go hide and self pity yourself. Let us fight the war. The Germans have a great way of dealing with problems. If you do nothing long enough, most of the time the problems resolve themselves.
Red6
Well that explains your thought; You are a young head-full-of-mush college student. Well, I am NOT a college student. I was. I graduated and grew up a little and learned what the world is REALLY like. I've got news for you kid. Those "peaceful muslims" are here in the US too. And they blew up a couple thousand of our people. Little by little, in places around the US, they are storing weapons, planning attacks and their imams are preaching hate. Maybe on the college campuses they are are 'sweetness and light', but in the privacy of their communities they want us to change to their way of life and some of them - many of them - want us dead.
As to the examples of "White power trash" who bombed the Oklahoma City Federal building? Well, there is every evidence that MUSLIMS were involved in THAT too along with the two 'lilywhites' who carried it out!
People have come here from England, Ireland, Africa, China, Germany, Japan and every other country in the world. We have all gotten along. We have wacko fringe groups like every other country (KKK, liberal democrats, skinheads, etc) but we do get along. The only group who can't seem to assimilate are the MUSLIMS!
Wake up and see what exists. If not, be prepared to bend over and accept dhimmihood!
You're full of it.
In Berlin you have bad bad places. In Frankfurt at the Konstaberwache they distribute drugs in broad daylight; Keisserstrasse is no safe place as some other places in Frankfurt.
You live in a dreamed up world. Your perception of the US is what you know from "Der Spiegel" and a cheap Hollywood film. Instead of lecturing us about how vast your world experience is, try traveling to the US once. people like you "TYPICALLY" never even have been to the US, but claim to be such "experts".
BTW, first month in Germany my winter car rims (set next to my car) were stolen. I NEVER EVER had to lock my home in Fairbanks AK. Go tell your "Märchen" to someone who wants to believe them.
Red6
See, your right!!!
Again today there was an attack. Who did the radical Islamist attack? Why of course not YOU. Are you not proud of yourself? God, I would be. I would be so proud of the fact that the enemy sees me as a coward, wimp, and an appeasing infidel who is no threat.
But well just quickly forget this attack. Was this a "disenfranchised" youth? Was this attack Israel’s and a Jews fault? Please tell us what "WE" did, after all it must be "Bush's fault" in your mind.
So as we both agreed on earlier, the Germans are tolerated for NOW by the Islamist, and we are the target. But I guess what most Americans can’t agree with in your assumption, is that Islam is a “religion of peace”. It’s not.
Red6
Feel free to post any passages you want from the New Testament regarding Jesus advocating murder, enslaving others, or engaging in violent conquest
Then let's compare what we find in the Qu'ran and Sunnah on the subject
Jesus never murdered anybody, never stole from anyone, and never advocated violent conquest
Mohammod (piss be upon him), on the other hand, was a pedophile, a caravan robber, and a psychotic murderer. And the religion he founded is indicative of those facts
Aww, why did you have to pull EU-Citizen? I was starting to have fun with him!
That's sad.
Removing people like him makes this forum boring. Many of these people really believe that crap, especially French/Germans/Austrians and Belgians.
They think it's a sign of success when they are liked in Iran, if terrorists (Islamic radicals) don't see them as a threat because they cower and appease, in some cases pay ransom. Look at Italy and how they pay bribes to free hostages!
It's not a laughing matter, but these guys often come here and present us (The American public) the true under tones and feelings that are often even driving their policies. Germany is a perfect example in reference the Iraq war.
Let his word's stand. The difference between today and 30 years ago is that today we get to see our backstabbing friends at work. Today thanks to the internet, global media/satellite TV etc we get to hear those voices. Think it was different in Vietnam? While Americans were dying fighting a war against Communism-Russia-China-backed N. Vietnam, the Germans went to the streets protesting us. In fact Fischer, their former secretary of state was one of them!
People like him are no small anomaly. They present a LARGE percent of these people. They are the ones who while living under our nuclear security blanket protested against us. While we were fighting the Communists and had 300,000 people stationed in Germany, pumping BILLIONS into their economy, draining ours and while we were taking 50% of the RAF attacks etc, they were throwing blood into a US generals face. While we fight Islamic terror they protest “made up” over flight violations of a F117 in Austria, or give their kids days off from school to go protest the Americans.
These people are a drain to our resources. They are a drain to our will to fight. It is good when Americans can put the “true” face on the Germans and others within Europe. Not all of them, but many.
Ever hear ONE German anywhere at anytime state that possibly, just maybe the US was right and nuclear deterrence worked after all?
Ever hear ANY German give Ronald Reagan (whom they hated) ANY credit for the fall of that wall?
Ever hear the “modern” German tank the US for the Marshal plan? No, they’ll actually state we did this for pure self interest. They will quickly change the topic to how the US wanted to make Germany into an agricultural nation with the “Morgentau plan”.
Did they offer help after New Orleans was under water? Not until it hit the MSM that they were not helping. Then suddenly they started moving and offered help!
Ever hear ANY German state give credit to the US solving the threat in Libya? BTW Libya now allows inspectors in, has scrapped its long range missile and WMD programs. No, they can't give us credit. They would rather talk about Abu Gharib.
Even in the Cold War, as Americans were getting murdered, were separated from their families, the US was pumping Billions into THEIR economy and providing for their defense within a mutual defense system, THEY talked about how they were victims of the Americans who just wanted to fight this nasty war on someone else’s land. Really! They actually said that!
I’m part German myself! I speak their language, I lived there for years, and in fact I practically grew up there. Much of my family still lives there. I guess if I didn’t know them as well, if I didn’t know how backstabbing “these” people really are, I too would find them OK. But if you hear what they really think, the “Schadenfreude” they have for us, how they discredit us, and at times even work against us, despite sitting in the same boat with us, you quickly realize that they are a slimy “Volk”.
Whether it was the Cold War or today the Global War On Terror, don’t expect to much of them. This society is depleted. They are morally bankrupt and see nothing worth fighting for. No insult intended, but WWI and WWII genetically and value depleted this society. The viable stock was exterminated in the killing fields of Russia, France, North Africa and the Atlantic. What was left were homo’s, communists, socialists, the offal of society and the weak. After the war anyone with any skill left to the US, Australia, Canada or Great Britain. What you are left with is a pathetic excuse of a nation. A state that is largely socialist (Also helped by the integration of the DDR where 17 million were politically indoctrinated and absorbed in 1989), hollow without any true belief in God (NAZI’s nor socialists supported religion), a state that while dependent on us for trade and its own security feels they must ankle bite since:
a. They must prove to themselves that they matter. This also is tied into the fact that the US is dominating in culture, politics, defense, economics even in sports. Everyone wants to be the number one. But what happens when someone takes the lead and has a “far” reaching gap between them and the rest? Resentment and envy form.
b. Many are fundamentally opposed to the US even though their national interest are aligned. But they have been told for years that the US is bad, the US is wrong, the US is this or that. They don’t in reality know “why” they dislike the US, they just know they do.
c. There to this day are some hard feelings from B24, B17 bomber formations flying over their country. Some still have a WWII chip on the shoulder.
Rumsfeld hit a nerve with his statements. “old Europe” and “Axis of weasels” did not go over well. But in light of the Germans priding themselves with the fact that “they” are not disliked and are less of a target because they appease, take the backseat in this war on terror, is it really so wrong?
It’s good that these people post and get heard! They tell a story not told in our MSM. They give us an insight into the “real” German psyche for a large portion of their society.
Red6
Kinda like a cat playing with a mouse. And I wanted to know if he had even been to Dachau too.
:) I have been.
But I bet our "man of the world" probably hasn't. It would not feel good, and the modern German is a hedonist.
Red6
He probably would have wet his pants and ran away on his own anyway, especially since he had to go to the canned socalist responses so early in the game.
I wasn't kidding when I stated he is the reason why Germany is doomed.
Socialist, hedonist, nihilist, secular, -all describe people like this. In fact they are "proud" of the fact that they don't value God and religion. They think a Godless state is a good thing!
Germany blames their economic crisis in part on the US: oil, secret US espionage of their super high tech :)…..
They blame their security problems on us: If we just didn’t stir up them Islamists then there would be peace. It’s Bush’s “made up threat”.
People such as him blame everything on us. It’s all “Bush’s fault”. And by the way, the issues plaguing Germany are of course not self induced.
10% unemployment in 2002 and they vote for MORE socialism. 12% unemployment in 2005 and what do they do? Vote for more socialism of course! DKP/PDS-WASG/SPD/Greens….. Tell a German he’s a blind socialist ideologist and you’ll get “No no, that’s not true, we have reasons for believing in what we do.”
Idiots like him literally don’t even know who their enemies and friends are. And this is representative of a huge population segment in Germany. Those people are seriously confused!
This “kid” is a good example of why they are failing. Pumped full of crap from magazines like “Der Spiegel” which is on par with the NYT’s, (in fact they collaborate in stories) sharing them between the two, he thinks he’s got a “real” insight into things.
Red6
That pretty much says it all. And until they wake up and realize who their friends are, they will continue to go down the toiletten.
The German BND released a report today about the eminent threat to Germany. Cover page in the German papers? "Is America above the Geneva Convention? The torture debate"
A week ago the UN report on the Food for Oil program was released. It was incriminating for the French who opposed the war. It basically validated that those opposed to the war had direct financial incentives to be against it. Cover stories in the German MSM? Abu Gharib, bomb blowing up in Baghdad.
Paris is on fire, German MSM report? It was disenfranchised youth. Only reluctantly, after delay, after their hand was forced did they even concede that “Yes, it’s Muslims”. BTW, now there are even reports of this being driven in part by Islamists from within France.
Can you really expect anything else? This guy is a F&*%@ up product of their media which is:
1. Largely state run and propagates the party line. In this case it’s “There is no danger, Islam is the religion of peace, forget London think about Abu Gharib.” “No, really there is danger! Bush is making this up!”
2. Far left politically, such as “Der Spiegel” (One of the most read magazines there).
His entire “paradigm” is a product of state and overwhelmingly left media in Germany. Sueddeutsche Zeitung, Welt…… most are far far left.
He thinks he’s a “critical thinker” because he in reality regurgitates that which all others tell him. All his little arguments are cliché’s. As you suggest, the run of the mill standard answers. If you talk to a German all you need to do is say “Bush, Cowboy, imperialism, oil”. You’ll be accepted immediately.
In the US nearly 85% of all reporters voted for Kerry. The media is predominantly liberal and Democrat. Michael Moore, Streisand, the list goes on…… are all bleeding hearts. In Germany this is even MORE pronounced. Even their quote on quote conservatives are nothing more than light moderate liberals. They still largely embrace socialism in economic terms. Their right is our left. Our right with its “rule least is best”, “hands off” approach does not even EXIST! Their right wing CDU/CSU still thinks “Vater Staat” should regulate, tax, and control human existence from birth to grave (inclusive).
I don’t wish the Germans an attack or even the French. But reality is, which I tried to explain earlier, “They are dirty infidels”, just like us. In fact they are viewed as less, since as a secular society they are not even people of the book, in which case your fate SHALL be death. That is SPELLED out in the Koran. Something this “great wise world traveler” probably doesn’t know. The ONLY difference right now is that because WE are the leading nation in the fight against radical Islamic fundamentalist thought and militants, WE are there largest target. THAT’S IT. Germany is not immune from Islamic violence, they are just a lower priority target. If we were to fall, if we were to give up. Guess who next would pop up on the radar screen of these radical elements?
This guy is actually advertising and “proud” of the fact that the Iranians see him as less a threat, an appeaser who will cave in. “Yea, yea, you Americans are disliked in the world!” He should have said, “We Germans are liked a lot in Iran, Putin likes us, so does China, and Libya; even North Korea does not dislike us, as they do you!” That’s something this guy is proud of!
The radical elements of Islam are no different than the Communists in their end state. They want to conquer and expand. They are in a state of war with us, not vice versa. The danger is that we don’t have a Kustchev beating a shoe on a table. We don’t have a single leader who say’s “I will burry you” as the Russians had. This threat is sneaky, it has many faces, it DENIES what it’s goal is. This threat is non-linear, unconventional and abstract at times. A moron, a typical German will have a hard time comprehending.
Radical Islam is a threat. Ask this kid if he sees this and he’d
a. Evade the question
b. Lie
c. Tell us it’s “Bush’s fault”
Red6
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