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French police take the strain
BBC ^ | 11/8/05 | Patrick Jackson

Posted on 11/08/2005 9:04:18 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

French police take the strain

By Patrick Jackson BBC News website

The shooting of police with birdshot in the Paris suburb of Grigny on Sunday introduced a new level of violence to the French riots.

In the words of local police official Bernard Franio, the Grigny attack was an act of "real, serious violence not like the previous nights".

Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, who visited the injured men in hospital in nearby Evry on Monday, noted the pellet impacts on one of their helmets.

"So they were aiming for the head?" he said. "Then they really are louts."

Evry itself had made the news a day earlier when police reported finding a petrol bomb factory in a disused police office.

The irony of this would not be lost upon critics of the French government who accuse of it pulling police out of the community only to have to rush them back dressed in riot gear when violence erupts.

Back to basics

According to Le Monde newspaper, the number of community police officers in one northern town, Tourcoing, has fallen from 350 to 150.

FRANCE'S POLICING RESOURCES

National Police, answerable to interior ministry National Gendarmes, answerable to defence ministry Municipal Police, recruited by local authorities Both national forces have their own riot units

In an article published by the same newspaper last week, the minister was unapologetic about such cuts.

While he backed the idea of police forging close ties with the community it was not their role, he said, to "run sporting events".

"Prevention, while indispensable, must not exclude repression each time it proves to be just and necessary."

Tough talk of this kind has earned him the enmity of rioters for whom the sacking of "Sarko" is often cited as a prime goal.

"Big deal!" the minister responded in his Le Monde article, saying that to have his name booed by rioters is "in the order of things".

But some sections of the police themselves are uneasy with their minister's rhetoric, especially his controversial remarks a few days before the riots began about taking a "power hose" to areas with high crime levels.

Taking the flak

Francois Massenet, secretary general of French police trade union UNSA-Police, said it was "too easy to go and stir up the young people and then go off to bed".

"We have to face this situation 24 hours a day," he was quoted by Liberation newspaper as saying.

"You can't say today that you're going to clean out the housing estates with a power hose."

Mr Sarkozy has in fact been making frequent visits to the "front line" - to police units deployed in the areas gripped by violence.

The national secretary of UNSA-Police's Paris branch, Lucien Cozzoli, argues the policy of withdrawing community police may be just as dangerous as the aggressive rhetoric.

"Community police, daily present in the districts, were able to defuse conflicts. We no longer have that defence," he says.

Scores of officers have been injured since 27 October.

"They are very, very tired, they are fighting every night," another police trade unionist, Nicolas Compte, told the BBC World Service.

"We are very upset about it. It is really long and the riots are extending."

New times, new tactics

The government has responded by reinforcing its units on the ground, both with regular police and the paramilitary gendarmes controlled by the defence ministry.

A policy of sealing off troubled areas seems to be having only limited success, however, as rioters can often quickly move elsewhere in small groups.

The police's special CRS riot control force has changed tactics in response, dividing its units into small, mobile groups of six to eight officers which have a better chance of pursuing suspects, police sources told Liberation.

Local curfews are also likely to be introduced.

As police officers face stones, petrol bombs and even firearms on a nightly basis, some commentators have made comparisons with the great worker and student unrest of 1968 when the riot police's frequent heavy-handedness drew chants of "SS - CRS" from the demonstrators.

The 2005 street violence began after rumours that two teenagers had been chased to their deaths by police - a charge strongly denied.

Reports of police tear gas entering a mosque further aggravated the situation.

Keenly aware of this, police trade union leaders have called on officers to keep their cool and warn that if they let their emotions boil over verbally or physically "public opinion will not understand and the media will be only too happy to make use of it".

"We are doing the job," Nicolas Compte told the BBC. "But it is very difficult to do it [gently] because we have to be tough."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; gendarmes
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1 posted on 11/08/2005 9:04:18 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

I guess thats better than New Orleans, where the police took the Cadillacs


2 posted on 11/08/2005 9:05:46 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: kiriath_jearim
"But it is very difficult to do it [gently] because we have to be tough."

How about opening up that proverbial can o' WHOOPASS!!??

3 posted on 11/08/2005 9:07:11 AM PST by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: SF Republican

Looks like Nagin and Blanco have French counterparts.


4 posted on 11/08/2005 9:07:36 AM PST by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: kiriath_jearim

These guys wouldn't last 8 hours on the SouthSide of Chicago......


5 posted on 11/08/2005 9:11:33 AM PST by Red Badger (Whatever happened to formulas 1 through 408?.........)
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To: kiriath_jearim
When are the surrender monkeys going to send in the army to quell the insurrection? I fear the USA may have to rescue the wimpy french again.
6 posted on 11/08/2005 9:13:11 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: kiriath_jearim
"You can't say today that you're going to clean out the housing estates with a power hose."

Try a machine gun

7 posted on 11/08/2005 9:13:24 AM PST by tom paine 2
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To: kiriath_jearim

They took the strain, it took them out of the scity. ZThey may take the stain all the way out of the scountry in a sreteat.


8 posted on 11/08/2005 9:13:55 AM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: timsbella

Now I know why New Orleans has a French Quarter.


9 posted on 11/08/2005 9:15:48 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

And a good thing it's only a Quarter!

I wonder if their expression rings true in France right now:

Laissez les bon temps rouler! (Let the good times roll - bar-b-que to car-b-que)


10 posted on 11/08/2005 9:17:59 AM PST by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: kiriath_jearim

At least the French police have been issued their weapons now. Does anyone know what the rules of engagement are there?


11 posted on 11/08/2005 9:22:15 AM PST by gotribe (Hillary: Accessory to Rape)
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To: lovecraft

There is no French word for "Whoopass".


12 posted on 11/08/2005 9:24:04 AM PST by caisson71
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To: kiriath_jearim
In the words of local police official Bernard Franio, the Grigny attack was an act of "real, serious violence not like the previous nights".

Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, who visited the injured men in hospital in nearby Evry on Monday, noted the pellet impacts on one of their helmets.

"So they were aiming for the head?" he said. "Then they really are louts."

LOL! You can't make this stuff up! ;)

13 posted on 11/08/2005 9:24:20 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (Speaking several languages is an asset; keeping your mouth shut in one is priceless.)
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To: bronxboy
I fear the USA may have to rescue the wimpy french again.

Not one drop of American blood should ever be shed again on behalf of the ungrateful, degenerate French. If they're so superior to us cowboy Americans, then let them find their own way out of this mess. Fuques France!

14 posted on 11/08/2005 9:27:50 AM PST by kevao
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To: caisson71
That's because WHOOPASS is an American invention that the French feel is beneath them since we've had to do their fighting for them since the early 1900's.

What happened to the French of the early days?

Napolean knew what whoopass was.

15 posted on 11/08/2005 9:28:49 AM PST by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: lovecraft

"Dechirez le boite de fouette-a-cul!"


16 posted on 11/08/2005 9:33:16 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: wideawake
babelfish translation:

Dechirez limps it of whip-A-bottom

LOL that's close!

17 posted on 11/08/2005 9:56:17 AM PST by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: lovecraft
Interesting.

Dechirez is a common verb but babelfish doesn't recognize it.

Boite means can or container, but boiter means "to limp".

18 posted on 11/08/2005 9:59:47 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: bronxboy

I say to he!! with them. They were against the Iraq war, now they have it right in thier back yards. Mr President, don't answer the phone. Chirac on the other end is as curly as the cord on the phone.


19 posted on 11/08/2005 10:03:50 AM PST by freebird5850
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To: lovecraft
Napolean knew what whoopass was.

Napolean was not French, he was Corsican.

20 posted on 11/08/2005 10:07:05 AM PST by AmusedBystander
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