Posted on 11/08/2005 2:18:45 AM PST by JoeGar
I have a SIGARMS P239 .357 SIG for concealed carry and inside-the-home defense, but I feel I need a good rifle for neighborhood defense outside -- just in case somebody wants to torch some cars. I'd love an M1 Garand -- just to hear the ka-ching when the clip ejects -- but it's too expensive. The Ruger Mini Thirty looks interesting. What are your suggestions?
Only for theft or vandalism.
Arson, rape, robbery, murder, kidnapping, and burglary are killing offenses in Texas - any time of the day or night.
I love these threads. In most of them, the poster is covertly saying, "I sure hope someone tries to do something bad to my house/car/business so I have an opportunity to use this wonderful new toy!"
I can't help feeling the same way about my toys and tools.
If you plan on shooting someone for lighting up your cars, I suggest you get a lawyer....
Remember one word LIABILTY
In the late 1970s, I was visiting a friend in North Arlington, New Jersey. While discussing the Newark race riots, he showed me a street and said, "The riots stopped on that side of the street. That's Newark. This side of the street is North Arlington. We all had rifles on this side."
AR bump, high interchangebility of mags and ammo with other defenders.
What kind of range are you talking about? I've always been a fan of the M1 Carbine.They're super light,tiny, and used to be really cheap although I haven't priced one for years.I,ve shot Garrands,Mini14s,AKs,ARs and many others the little M1 is still one of my favorites.
I also recommend a short rifle in .308 (7.62) for its vehicle penetrating potential.
A AR 15 type would be my preference.
TMc
Those who happen to live in the Democratik Republik of Maryland have to have a special permit to own an AR-15 type rifle... thanks to the Demo-Rat administrations.
You don't need a special permit for a good saddle gun.
Springfield Armory introduced the MI WWII commemorative. About $1200 the only commemorating is the design on the rifle.
Check the Shotgun News there is an Air Force base that still sells surplus MI's around $1000 you send them your info and a small fee for Background checks. It goes I think to an LTC. It is the US Government.
I have an AR-15 and an HK-91(for which I traded a Springfield Armory M1A, because the HK can handle reloads easier.) A .308 is great for static defense but in a bug-out situation that involves hiking 20 miles over rough terrain in the middle of August with 100 degree temps and 95% humidity I prefer the AR.
If a rioting mob is moving from downtown to the burbs, you will more than likely have time to organize a defensive strategy with your neighbors, block entrances and be prepared to defend your homes and families.
Goodness, I love a good gun thread!
"I think you mean 30-30, and I agree, a Winchester lever action 30-30 is all thats needed for 200 yd and under NEIGHBORHOOD defense. All this talk of M1 Garands, great rifle, but to expensive these days.
The AR15 is another great rifle, but to expensive to normal folk.
The lowly Win Model 94 can be had for less than $200 used and very accurate out to 150 yds. No training needed to operate which both M1 and AR15 require. (ask a non-gun person to to remove trigger group from M1 Garand.) If your going to form rifle teams, well,, now that is a different thing than neigborhood defense."
The problem with a lever action rifle in a combat scenario is the time to reload. With an AR all you have to do is change magazines.
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NYS law allows for deadly force to stop a burglery in process or arson or to stop a fleeing felon. So I guess you're wrong.
As with all of these be sure you are ready to use deadly force - if not take the family out the back and hightail it. Cars aren't worth dying for - on either side.
What I'm saying is that if we in America have to resort to shooting looters at our front door, then all is lost. I'm not talking about the temporary situation in Louisiana where a few scumbags were taking advantage of a natural disaster. Yeah, in that case, sitting on your front porch with a shotgun would be an excellent deterrent to some punk wanting to steal your TV and beer. At least until the police arrive on the scene.
What I'm referring to here is a state of civil unrest like that which exists currently in France. The first line of defense in a civilized country is our police force. The police exist not to write us speeding tickets and get cats out of trees (though they resort to that when they have nothing else to do). The police exist to protect life and property.
I am fairly confident that what has happened in France cannot happen here. This is because the United States, at least up to this time, has not been hesitant to use it's internal police force to immediately clamp down on mobs. I believe we have mob control down to a science. Witness the potential for violence at various political conventions, sporting events, etc., and how quickly the police gain control when events threaten to get out of hand.
This is not to say that we live in a police state. Rather we live in a state where the police serve us, the public. In order for us to enjoy our constitutional freedoms, we must maintain an adequate police force that will protect us and our property. Without that, civil order will very quickly break down. Witness what happened this summer with the hurricanes. With the police indisposed or unavailable, mob rule very quickly takes over.
Now the mobs in the hurricane ravaged areas of the U.S. were not organized. They were simply taking temporary advantage of the situation. When the police came on the scene, they very quickly crawled back under the rocks that they came from.
Should civil order ever break down in the USA, it will not be enough to stand on your front porch with a shotgun. In fact, all you will probably do is incite the mob and make it personal with them. That was my original point.
Not that we wouldn't take drastic action if we were ever backed into a corner like that. I'd be out on my front porch shooting too if it ever came to that. But it would very likely be the last thing I do. But then again, Americans, unlike the French, are not afraid to go down fighting. We prefer freedom to slavery and that is what still separates us from countries like France.
"If you plan on shooting someone for lighting up your cars, I suggest you get a lawyer....
Remember one word LIABILTY"
In a riot and civil unrest it would be very easy to persuade a jury that you were in fear of your life.
Idi Amin.
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