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Do men really want women to shut up?
McCall ^ | Margie Peterson

Posted on 11/07/2005 9:04:47 PM PST by Lorianne

Reading a piece about dating in The New York Times Magazine on Sunday, I felt like a Rip Van Winkle who fell into matrimonial sleep 15 years ago and awoke to find courtship had regressed back to the Victorian era.

Dowd said that she knew the coquettish rules for dating long before she had heard of ''The Rules,'' a 1995 bestseller on how to play hard to get in order to land a husband.

I... had heard of ''The Rules'' by Ellen Fein and Sherrie Schneider, but I assumed it was part of the backlash against feminism and would go the way of Marabel Morgan's ''The Total Woman.'' How many women, after all, still get naked and wrap themselves in Saran Wrap to greet their husbands at the door? (My husband might argue, not enough.)

Skimming ''The Rules,'' I learned how to play hard to get — 15 years after I'd been got. Make your date wait, always let the man do the asking, don't offer to pay, and don't set foot in public without makeup.

I laid this at the feet of Dr. Robert M. Gordon, an Allentown psychologist.

''The Rules,'' Gordon said, are right in one sense: ''If you play games, it will help you catch a man. But it won't help you keep him. It won't help you to have an enduring, satisfying relationship.''

Dowd had cited a British study that showed the chance of marriage for men increased by 35 percent with each 16-point rise in IQ. For women, there was a 40 percent drop in their marriage prospects for each 16-point increase in IQ.

So smart men don't want to marry smart women? Gordon argued that a man who comes from a family that values education and has loving relationships won't want a dim wife.

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To: Lorianne
Do men really want women to shut up?

Short answer, "YES!". And I am a woman. God bless my husband as he listens to a 1,000 word answer that could have been answered with a simple, "yes, I made dinner". LOL

21 posted on 11/07/2005 9:20:10 PM PST by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: Lorianne
So smart men don't want to marry smart women?

My wife is smarter than me, and I've never had a problem with it. Sounds like Dowd is trying to justify why she's a shrew, unaware it has little to do with her "intelligence".

I find it hillarious Dowd thinks she's that smart.

And most men will tell you that SANITY is more of a deal breaker than anything. Also, men are visual not auditory - we tend to converse only for the purpose of communicating *important* info - so if you think you may be talking too much...

22 posted on 11/07/2005 9:20:47 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: Lorianne

Yes.


23 posted on 11/07/2005 9:20:48 PM PST by MistrX
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To: Lorianne

I'd be happy if they could be trained to leave the toilet seat up.


24 posted on 11/07/2005 9:22:19 PM PST by umgud (Comment removed by poster before moderator could get to it)
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To: Lorianne

25 posted on 11/07/2005 9:24:14 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Lorianne
For women, there was a 40 percent drop in their marriage prospects for each 16-point increase in IQ.

This sounds like one of those "wife-beatings on Superbowl Sunday" stats to me.

26 posted on 11/07/2005 9:25:19 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Lorianne

Smart men do not marry bitches.

Smart women marry real men.

Bitchy supercilious feminists sit home alone and whine about men.


27 posted on 11/07/2005 9:26:09 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from earth. Liberals are from Uranus.)
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To: Lorianne
So smart men don't want to marry smart women?

Not exactly. Smart men don't want to divorce smart women.

28 posted on 11/07/2005 9:26:52 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Lorianne
"Do men really want women to shut up?

Yes, absolutely! Please just STFU!

I've been waiting for someone to ask my opinion on this topic. Thanks! I feel better already :-)

29 posted on 11/07/2005 9:27:24 PM PST by Lloyd227
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Bless you. My darling husbie and I have been married for over 30 years and he's still cute as a button and the funniest man I ever met! I have never failed to speak my mind and he STILL listens (bless his heart), so I guess I'm doing something right. I've never been big on the "coquette-ish" thing.
30 posted on 11/07/2005 9:27:36 PM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: Lorianne

This Margie Peterson woman really needs to put a sock in it.


31 posted on 11/07/2005 9:28:14 PM PST by counterpunch (~ Let O'Connor Go Home! ~)
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To: Lorianne
Do men really want women to shut up?

Only sexist, brutish neanderthals think that way. I , on the other hand, believe women have the right to talk as much as they damn well please.

32 posted on 11/07/2005 9:31:01 PM PST by Roscoe Karns
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To: Lorianne
[ Do men really want women to shut up? ]

Depends on the woman.. and the subject..

33 posted on 11/07/2005 9:32:12 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: singfreedom
I have never failed to speak my mind and he STILL listens

Or maybe he has one of these with an OFF switch.

;->

34 posted on 11/07/2005 9:33:52 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Your Weim really needs to see a dentist.


35 posted on 11/07/2005 9:34:12 PM PST by ottothedog (Forbes 2008)
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To: Roscoe Karns
That was really clever---and no sarcasm intended!
36 posted on 11/07/2005 9:34:57 PM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: hosepipe
Saw Dowd on Imus this morning.

No thank you. It's in the eyes.

37 posted on 11/07/2005 9:36:05 PM PST by AGreatPer
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To: Izzy Dunne
LOL. No, he doesn't need one---yet!
38 posted on 11/07/2005 9:36:54 PM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: Lorianne

Dowd is just a bitter old tart.


39 posted on 11/07/2005 9:37:48 PM PST by ottothedog (Forbes 2008)
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To: Lorianne

Hell, yes! SHUTUP!

I married into a family of compulsive talkers. In order to speak one has to yell above everyone else.
My mother-in-law is bad, but my brother-in-law (If you know him he probably owes you money) is worse!
My sister-in-law is not as bad but my wife is getting worse by the day!
My father-in-law was the quiet type and died years ago. Family members say he was henpecked to death.
Me? I love the quiet. nice music, no interference, alone with my thoughts. And I refuse to be henpecked to death!


40 posted on 11/07/2005 9:37:53 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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