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Leaders Fiddle As France Burns (12th Night)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 11-8-2005 | Colin Randall

Posted on 11/07/2005 5:48:46 PM PST by blam

Leaders fiddle as France burns

By Colin Randall in Paris
(Filed: 08/11/2005)

France was struggling to overcome one of its gravest post-war crises last night as every major city faced the threat of fierce rioting that began 12 nights ago and now seems to have spun out of control.

More than 1,400 vehicles were destroyed during a night of increasing violence

Despite an assurance from Philippe Douste Blazy, the foreign minister, that France was "not a dangerous country", the spread of violence prompted the Foreign Office in London to warn travellers that trouble could break out "almost anywhere".

Dominique de Villepin, the beleaguered prime minister, announced that officials in riot-hit areas would be authorised to impose late-night curfews "wherever it is necessary" in a bid to halt the disturbances.

He rejected calls by a police union for troops to be sent in but said that 1,500 reservists were being called up and repeated an appeal to parents to keep adolescent rioters off the streets.

Although the disorder began on the intimidating sink estates of Paris's northern suburbs, trouble had been reported yesterday in the early hours from most regions of the country. Even areas such as Brittany, the Loire and Bordeaux, favoured by British holidaymakers and second- home hunters, have now been drawn into the worst wave of unrest in France since the spring revolt of 1968 set in motion the downfall of Gen Charles de Gaulle.

Yesterday the violence also claimed its first life. A 61-year-old man died in hospital three days after being beaten unconscious when he left his home in a northern Paris suburb intending to stop rubbish bins being set on fire.

Even before renewed disturbances broke out last night, figures showed that rioters had wrecked 4,700 vehicles, injured more than 100 police and rescue workers, and opened fire in at least six separate incidents.

Of the 1,200 people arrested, more than 30 - half of them juveniles - have already been jailed or given youth custody.

Rioters have targeted schools, churches and public buildings

The police union Action Police CFTC called for curfews to be imposed in all riot-hit areas to combat the "civil war that spreads a little more every day". The mayor of one town, Raincy, north of Paris, announced a late-night street ban on children to "avoid a tragedy". The union also urged the government to send in troops to defeat the trouble-makers, mainly mobs of young people from poor estates dominated by Muslim families whose origins are in France's former colonies in north and sub-Saharan Africa.

Twenty-four hours earlier, a belated and much-criticised intervention by President Jacques Chirac, his first since the violence began, was followed by the worst night of rioting so far.

More than 1,400 vehicles were destroyed, two policemen were injured by birdshot and petrol bomb attacks were launched on schools, churches and public buildings.

Mr Chirac, who had spoken of a French republic resolved to show itself "stronger than those who want to sow violence or fear", made more conciliatory comments in a private meeting yesterday.

President Vaira Vike-Freiberga of Latvia said the French president had admitted to him that "ghettoisation of youths of African or North African origin" was to be deplored, as was French society's "incapacity to fully accept them".

Pascal Clement, the justice minister, announced that three boys, aged 16, had been detained in the southern city of Aix-en-Provence for allegedly using their weblogs, hosted by a pop music radio station, to urge others to riot.

Police claim that ringleaders of the disturbances, which began in the northern Paris surburb of Clichy-sous-Bois on Oct 27 after two boys were accidentally electrocuted while apparently running from police, have become increasingly organised.

The Foreign Office yesterday warned Britons already in France or considering travelling there that the unrest could now break out "almost anywhere".

The new travel advisory painted a much more alarming picture of the threat to British citizens than a similar bulletin issued on Sunday.

Britons should also "avoid any demonstrations which may be taking place in and around" areas affected by the riots, said the Foreign Office website.


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KEYWORDS: 12th; burns; fiddle; france; fwance; insurgency; intifada; jihad; leaders; night; parisriots; quagmire; quijad; surrender; terrorism; uprising
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To: Navy Patriot
I am certainly enjoying this.

Me too...pass the popcorn.

61 posted on 11/07/2005 6:58:45 PM PST by Taggart_D
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To: Sociopathocracy

USA, Canada, etc ....


62 posted on 11/07/2005 6:59:22 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Fraxinus
The attempts by the MSM to avoid letting the world know that this is the work of Muslims is nauseating.

Imagine the reaction of the 'public' when it reaches the point where it is obvious, then the media starts changing it's story again.

Makes one ask of the MSM, 'do you guys ever leave the building?'

63 posted on 11/07/2005 7:00:45 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (I jez calls it az I see it.)
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To: GOP_1900AD
What a sad state of affairs.

Sad, but necessary. This is going propel the conservatives in France into power.

64 posted on 11/07/2005 7:01:29 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: goldstategop

RE: But there's no De Gaulle waiting in the wings to save the French from their own imbecility.

Don't be so sure. We simply have not heard who it is yet. My one fear - not if but when the backlash gets going, we end up with Islamonazis being crushed, but at the price of old fashioned French Nazis running France. Of course this would be worst case. A far better case would be a more authoritarian, De Gaulle like figure, but one who still did not overturn the republican system per se. A culture change without a complete system change, so to speak.


65 posted on 11/07/2005 7:05:08 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: wouldntbprudent
The French government has no stomach for just conflict, the French people are (as far as I know) largely unarmed and unwilling to fight for their country anyway.

If this was happening in America, we would be standing armed, by our cars. I think this is an overpopulation problem, like the whole of Arabia who refuse to procreate responsibly. These Musliims come in, they get decent jobs, and then have 16 children. Nobody can garner enough property and success, coming from a third world country, to pass on a means of wealth to 16 children. Not even possible in America.

66 posted on 11/07/2005 7:06:27 PM PST by bukkdems ("My aunt was very frugal" - Benon Savon)
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To: Taggart_D

67 posted on 11/07/2005 7:08:27 PM PST by Navy Patriot (French put out fires with Vichy water.)
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To: Alexander Rubin; blam
*sings* On the 12th night of riots, angry youths gave to me...

On the twelfth day of riots, the towelheads gave to me:
Twelve petrol bomb cans;
Eleven flaming Renaults;
Ten burning busses;
Nine Burka’d ladies;
Eight Imams praying;
Seven intafadas;
Six checkered kaftas;
Five WMD’s;
Four fatwa bans;
Three henchmen;
Two RPG’s;
And a Jihadist in gay Paree.

68 posted on 11/07/2005 7:08:32 PM PST by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: I got the rope

Let me rephrase that. The conservatives *must* gain power. For nature abhors a vacuum. If the conservatives do not gain power, there are others of a more extreme orientation who will eventually be able to gain the support of the police and the army. They could seize power outright. Do not underestimate the potential for extreme swings toward procrustean thinking, even in decadent, secular France. Imagine how shocked people were at the demise of the Weimar Republic.


69 posted on 11/07/2005 7:09:52 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: blam

man, a bunch of illiterate muslims have wreaked more havoc and destruction on France than the Nazi's did. But hey, France sure built lots of pretty monuments and museums with all the money saved by having the US military provide all its protection all these years.


70 posted on 11/07/2005 7:09:55 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Navy Patriot

Yummy! Thanks.


71 posted on 11/07/2005 7:11:49 PM PST by Taggart_D
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To: WestSylvanian

I said it a couple days ago. Time to take Notre Dame down piece by piece & the art from the Louvre and move it all somewhere safe like the US or Poland.


72 posted on 11/07/2005 7:12:31 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: 1066AD

man, I really don't understand why that didn't stop this........


73 posted on 11/07/2005 7:14:01 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
man, I really don't understand why that didn't stop this........

The French are appeasers. The leaders in charge believe if they come down hard on the rioters they will have riots in the streets.

74 posted on 11/07/2005 7:16:52 PM PST by avant_garde
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

Time for a crusade, to protect them where they are now. I'm not kidding.


75 posted on 11/07/2005 7:18:36 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: ml/nj

Thanks. I was afraid I made the Mona Lisa insertion a bit too subtle.....


76 posted on 11/07/2005 7:21:50 PM PST by Yossarian
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To: lightman

Man, you're a riot! ROTFL!


77 posted on 11/07/2005 7:22:08 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: blam
I just hope that someone in France with more guts and brains than Chiraq and de Villepin is looking at this map and waking up. So far, the press is trying to portray these rioters as disenfranchised kids from the high rise public housing around Paris. I've been to France and there is no high rise public housing in all these cities, but there are mosques in many of them.

When we landed at Charles DeGalle airport there were about 50 guys in white robes bowing to the east on a nearby knoll. It wasn't the FIRST thing I expected to see on my first visit to Paris. That was eight years ago.

78 posted on 11/07/2005 7:25:07 PM PST by ShowMeMom (America: The home of the FREE because of the BRAVE.)
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To: avant_garde
Appeasement = rewarding bad behaviour.

If the riots are being planned and coordinated centrally, the strategy is brilliant. They're focusing on fireworks, and other fun stuff, which draws out the young troublemakers. There isn't yet enough violence to justify an iron-fisted response (look what happened to the Serbs). Meanwhile, the thing just keeps on growing -- when it reaches a critical mass, it could shift over into heavy violence, complete with serious weapons.
79 posted on 11/07/2005 7:25:45 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA (")
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To: InvisibleChurch

I see the muslims are torching Strasbourg. That really hurts. Was one of the nicest places in Europe I visited. Beautiful wine country and town. How sad.


80 posted on 11/07/2005 7:26:01 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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