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France reacts to 'shockwave of riots'(Paris/France burns Live Thread Night #12)
Times of London ^ | 11/07/05 | Simon Freeman, Charles Bremner

Posted on 11/07/2005 2:44:49 AM PST by Dane

French police made 395 arrests last night as riots intensified for the 11th consecutive night, with violence and fire engulfing towns from the North to the Mediterranean.

In the impoverished suburbs and satellite towns around Paris, where the unrest began on October 27, churches, schools and warehouses were set alight. At least 1,408 vehicles were destroyed, many more than on previous nights, and the random attacks have spread into the heart of the city.

In Grigny, south of the capital, a gang of around 200 youths are reported to have lured police into a housing estate before opening fire with hunting rifles. At least 30 officers were injured, two seriously with lead pellets in the legs and neck.

Riots broke out in beacons of disaffection across the country from Lille, on the border with Belgium, to Montpellier on the Mediterranean coast. In Toulouse, police used tear gas to disperse a mob. Cars were set alight on the streets of Nantes, Orleans, Rennes and Rouen, and youths in St Etienne forced passengers off a bus before burning it. Churches were set ablaze in northern Lens and southern Sete.

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In Strasbourg, youths stole a car and rammed it into a housing project, setting the vehicle and the building on fire. "We’ll stop when Sarkozy steps down," the defiant 17-year-old driver told an Associated Press reporter.

Police are calling for a night-time curfew in affected areas and some senior officers have demanded that troops are brought on to the streets.

Michel Gaudin, France's most senior police officer, said today: "We are witnessing a sort of shock wave that is spreading across the country."

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: france; frenchifada; frenchweasels; hoodlums; insurgency; leintifada; ouihad; parisintifada; parisriots; punks; thugs; uprising; wot; yoots; youths
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I just listened to some French twit on the BBC saying that the youths were all French born and they had no jobs and nothing to do, so they HAD to pick up sticks and stones and throw them at the police blah blah blah.

It just makes me sick. My parents grew up in the Great Depression. These 'youths' do not even come close to living in the degree of poverty that my parents lived in. My parents had no welfare or government health care. My parents had no electricity or even running water in their homes. I guess Momma and Daddy didn't realize that all they could do was pick up sticks and stones and throw them at the police. My father became a police officer!

Being poor is no excuse for a lack of morals. Nothing gives you the right to hurt innocent people and ruin their property. The scum burning everything belong in jail. The scum that are shooting and trying to hurt people belong in the morgue.


41 posted on 11/07/2005 3:47:45 AM PST by Elyse
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To: Dane

I dont understand the total lack of coverage indicating any police action.

Are the riots so bad that the police is incapacitated?

The french need to call out the military right away in such a case. Dithering any longer is just plain criminal on the part of the govt.


42 posted on 11/07/2005 3:50:49 AM PST by ketelone
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To: 12B
"If we start shooting them, outside groups will start smuggling them weapons and then we're all screwed."

What your French collegues are essentially saying is that there are only two choices for France: submission or extermination

43 posted on 11/07/2005 3:52:23 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (I do what the voices in lazamataz's head tell me to)
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To: Fred Nerks; Vicomte13

I read Vicomte's explanation of the riots, of course there is going to be an economic component, but to ignore the culture of radical islam component(i.e all non-muslims are infidels) is disingenous, IMO.


44 posted on 11/07/2005 3:53:19 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Fred Nerks; Vicomte13
Vicomte 13 is in Connecticut right now...

Good catch. I guess THIS is why I was snowed.

From V13: "Those shots could have killed somebody, but clearly there's not a mass, armed movement going on here."

A little less than honest if you ask me.

45 posted on 11/07/2005 3:54:02 AM PST by houeto (Mr. President, close our borders now!)
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To: Dane
Police are calling for a night-time curfew in affected areas...

There's still no curfew?!?

46 posted on 11/07/2005 3:55:38 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: 12B
"If we start shooting them, outside groups will start smuggling them weapons and then we're all screwed." Makes total sense if you think about it.

Not unless you are OK with bowing toward Mecca 5 times per day.

47 posted on 11/07/2005 3:55:57 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Take the high road. You'll never have to meet a Democrat.)
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To: backhoe; Dane
See post #45.

Disingenuous? I'll say.

48 posted on 11/07/2005 3:56:43 AM PST by houeto (Mr. President, close our borders now!)
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What I find interesting is the confluence of media ignorance.

The police were not shot at with 'hunting rifles' they were shot with a birdshot loaded shotgun. Huge difference....and the reason that there were wounds rather than fatalities.


49 posted on 11/07/2005 3:57:00 AM PST by blanknoone (When will Europe understand there is no one willing to accept their surrender?)
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To: mewzilla

They're getting around to a curfew, after all it's only day 12. /sarc

Seriously, I wonder if they aren't more concerned they won't be able to enforce a curfew should they try to establish one. Especially at this 11th hour.


50 posted on 11/07/2005 3:57:44 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Take the high road. You'll never have to meet a Democrat.)
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To: kittymyrib
Hummmm....why would these "poor, disaffected youths" be burning down CHRISTIAN churches? Inquiring minds want to know...but the press doesn't.

And no mosque's are being burned down. Also on Saturday night an incindiary device was thrown at a Synagogue in France.

The press is clueless.

51 posted on 11/07/2005 4:02:07 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: prairiebreeze

When does night time begin in France? How long from now?


52 posted on 11/07/2005 4:05:51 AM PST by rhainw
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To: prairiebreeze

Well, a curfew would still be a good idea. It would give parents another tool in controlling their kids. It might keep the snots off the streets and out of the line of fire, leaving more time and manpower to deal with the more dangerous types, the ones who don't get off on just tossing a couple of rocks.


53 posted on 11/07/2005 4:07:00 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: ken5050
When will they burn down EuroDisney?

Considering the hosing that Disney has been taking on this park (it has never been in the black)They would probably take the insurance settlement and run gleefully for the next plane to orlando.

54 posted on 11/07/2005 4:11:33 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (Billy Tauzin about Louisiana: "half the state is under water, the other half is under indictment")
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To: rhainw
When does night time begin in France? How long from now?

Paris
Nov 7, 2005
Sunrise 7:47 AM
Sunset 5:21 PM

Link

Sunset in France appx. 11:21 AM EST, 8:21 AM PST

55 posted on 11/07/2005 4:11:44 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane

Find some way to broadcast French films to the rioters nonstop. They'll all committ mass suicide in a matter of minutes. Problem solved!


56 posted on 11/07/2005 4:11:52 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: Dane

When will the MSM make this a top story? When the Republic falls?


57 posted on 11/07/2005 4:14:07 AM PST by dinoparty (In the beginning was the Word)
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To: dinoparty

Above-fold treatment undercuts MSM's war against GW. Don't hold breath.


58 posted on 11/07/2005 4:15:37 AM PST by dasboot
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To: George W. Bush

**"Morale within the police is at zero, and I am very pessimistic that the situation can be resolved without a major reinforcement of security"**

Wow they really ARE going to surrender!


59 posted on 11/07/2005 4:21:13 AM PST by Sometimes A River (Your hands and feet are mangoes, but you're gonna be a genius anyway)
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To: Dane

Wait a minute here.

"In Grigny, south of the capital, a gang of around 200 youths are reported to have lured police into a housing estate before opening fire with hunting rifles. At least 30 officers were injured, two seriously with lead pellets in the legs and neck."

BB guns? I mean, I read the word, "hunting rifles" and thought, "Oh man, it's hitting the fan." Called my mom. She sat at the couch, listening. Then I find they were shot with pellets? Europe. [Snort.]


60 posted on 11/07/2005 4:24:11 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March ("Every time the court veers left, the people are overwhelmingly opposed." [Laura Ingraham])
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