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How the Iraq War United Radical Islam (Religion of Peace Alert)
Beliefnet.com ^ | Deborah Caldwell

Posted on 11/06/2005 8:38:33 PM PST by Jacob Kell

With the latest world events--fighting in Fallujah, gun battles in southern Thailand, and an attack on the diplomatic quarter of Damascus--attention is turning even more intently to radical Islam. In March, after the Madrid train bombings, Beliefnet talked with Michael Sells, a renowned comparative religions scholar whose specialty is Saudi Salafism, also known as Wahhabism, about the state of play in global Islam and terrorism. We are reprinting it today because his comments are, if anything, more accurate now than they were a few weeks ago.

What does this mean for the landscape of worldwide Islam?

If it’s true that this was an Islamic radical group with ties to Al Qaeda, then it seems to be another act of an organized anti-Western group that has shifted now from the jihad of the Taliban centered around Al Qaeda in Afghanistan to an international war against what is viewed as Western occupation.

(Excerpt) Read more at beliefnet.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaida; iraq; islam; israel; michaelsells; opiraqifreedom; palestine; radicalislam; religionofpeace; salafis; salafism; wahabis; wahabism; wahhabis; wahhabism; waronterror; warwithiraq
Does anyone have any comments? Any opinions about the subject matter, or Michael Sells?
1 posted on 11/06/2005 8:38:35 PM PST by Jacob Kell
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To: Jacob Kell

Ya, prior to the war in Iraq, Islam was the religion of peace and there were no areas of strife in the world involving Islam.

Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, Iran, Phillipines, Pakistan, Afghanistan were all visions of peace and love.


2 posted on 11/06/2005 8:41:08 PM PST by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: Jacob Kell
One could show the photo of the Taliban official walking around with a bunch of amputated hands but that would be a bit too graphic.
3 posted on 11/06/2005 8:44:07 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: Jacob Kell
From the article,..

Radical Salafism is based on a particular reading of the Medieval writer Ibn Taymiyya, who wrote after the fall of Baghdad to the Mongols. He viewed non-Salafi Muslims, and Christians, and Jews, as allies of the Mongols and as threats to the security and purity of Islam. And he was particularly angered by Mongols who had invaded Islam and said they had converted, but who weren’t, in his view true converts. The latest radical view of Islam sees a [new] threat of occupation by outside forces….It sees the West as occupying Islam, so it views them the way Ibn Taymiyya viewed the Mongols.

This does bring up an interesting perspective. From a western perspective, we have been so liberalized into a 'comparative reigion' theology, that recent Talaban (actual group released I'm recalling from memory of press reports, so I may be off a bit here)prison releasees from Afghanistan were reportedly doled $25 and a copy of the Koran.

By this article, those who would follow a Wahhabbist perspective might find the issuance of the Koran to Muslims by American allies to be the height of arrogant insult to their faith, because it would render the document 'impure'.

IMHO, the only way to remain consistent would be to issue them a Bible in good faith and let God handle the situation.

4 posted on 11/06/2005 8:54:15 PM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: Paloma_55

You forgot Thailand, the Muslims in southern Thailand have been attacking the Buddhists long before the Iraqi war.


5 posted on 11/06/2005 8:55:18 PM PST by Aussiebabe
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To: Jacob Kell

(speaking of muslims in the US, he says:

"And they do want ownership of their own Islam. They want a mosque and a teaching that relates to their culture, to their society, their neighbors, that teaches them a way of getting along in peaceful and constructive ways with their non-Muslim neighbors."

I stopped reading right there, on pg 3 of 4. This clown has quite an arrogance and imagination, LOL.


6 posted on 11/06/2005 8:55:38 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Aussiebabe

And India.


7 posted on 11/06/2005 8:57:37 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Cvengr
'the issuance of the Koran to Muslims by American allies to be the height of arrogant insult to their faith, because it would render the document 'impure'.'
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Ha-ha, what a quandary, because they couldn't throw it down, either...they'd have to just stand there for months, debating.....
8 posted on 11/06/2005 8:58:21 PM PST by bitt ("..the very obsession of your public service must be Duty, Honor, Country." Gen. Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Jacob Kell

just since the interview was first printed, more and more incidents in the world have convinced even MORE people that these mooooslems are bad news, and we're gonna be ready for anything.


9 posted on 11/06/2005 8:59:59 PM PST by bitt ("..the very obsession of your public service must be Duty, Honor, Country." Gen. Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Jacob Kell

"... the Iraq war united radical Islam ..."


And .. that's exactly what it was intended to do.

It might have been a gamble .. but Iraq was training and supporting the terrorists .. and taking away the facilities and the money would be a severe blow. It certainly would seem like a rather educated guess on our part on how the terrorists would react. But .. the gamble was that it was better to meet them on the battlefield of Iraq, than in the streets of NYC or WashDC or LA.

I'm not the least bit surprised so many terrorists started showing up. It was their chance to hit the "Great Satan" again - right in their own backyard.

I don't know why people can't see that ..??


10 posted on 11/06/2005 9:01:11 PM PST by CyberAnt (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!)
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To: Cvengr

A Wahhabbist only accepts certain types of Korans.
Not just any Koran will do.


11 posted on 11/06/2005 9:05:12 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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To: Aussiebabe
"You forgot Thailand, the Muslims in southern Thailand have been attacking the Buddhists long before the Iraqi war."

He also forgot Chechnya and the Sudan. Did he mention the Balkans, Indonesia and Kashmir? Wherever there is islam there is no peace.

12 posted on 11/06/2005 9:05:53 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" -Pope Urban II, 1097AD)
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To: Jacob Kell
Dipstick doesn't realize they were bombing Innocent people BEFORE we went to Iraq? Doesn't realize they blew up 3000 innocent people in NY BEFORE?
13 posted on 11/06/2005 9:06:34 PM PST by Smartaleck
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To: Paloma_55

Your list omits -

USA, Israel, Nigeria, Kuwait, Bali, Scotland, and other recipients of exported Islamic Love prior to Iraq War.

Lots of lovin' going on in Yugoslavia as well (though I'm not educated enough to know right from wrong in that situation.)

Please excuse possible incomplete list - late. Also tough to keep track of all the Western aggression.

What is intersting, when the list is assembled, is how they target civilians, and women and children. I wonder how George Bush influenced them to act - in almost all cases - as war criminals.


14 posted on 11/06/2005 9:14:07 PM PST by Mr. Rational (God gave me a brain and expects me to use it)
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To: Mr. Rational

Martyr line forms on the right...one bullet to a customer..


15 posted on 11/06/2005 9:20:32 PM PST by Crim (I may be a Mr "know it all"....but I'm also a Mr "forgot most of it"...)
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To: Jacob Kell
I have always believed that the 9-11 attacks were a means to unite Islam behind the radical Islamofascists. By attacking the greatest and most influential power, it knew that there would be a response. This, in turn, would give the radicals the rallying cry to unite against the outside threat from the West. That is why the Islamofascists were the first to invoke the terminology of the crusades.

The first battle is within Islam, and we were attacked to give a reason to start that battle. The next battle, if it occurs, will be the whole of Islam against the West, but only if the Islamofascists succeed in gaining ascendancy over the vast majority of Muslims.

The battle thus far, IMHO, is being won by the Islamofascists against the remainder of the Muslim community.
16 posted on 11/06/2005 9:20:52 PM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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