Posted on 11/06/2005 7:24:04 PM PST by Jay777
REDLANDS -- They say one man can make a difference, but in this city it took two or perhaps none. A year and a half ago, the American Civil Liberties Union told Redlands officials that two residents had complained that the city's 42-year-old logo promoted Christianity because it bore the image of a cross. The rights group threatened to sue.
The City Council voted in closed session to remove the cross from the logo.
On Tuesday, Redlands voters are to decide whether the cross should be returned and tax dollars should be used in a legal battle that could cost upwards of $500,000.
Stars have risen in the firmament of this suburban drama. But two names don't even make the credits the purported church-state whistle-blowers.
That's left many wondering: Who are the Redlands Two?
"If you find them, let me know," said Scott Siegel, one of the most vocal supporters of the cross logo. "I'd be interested to find out if they really exist."
The ACLU insists its assistance was solicited.
"We weren't looking to pick a fight with the city of Redlands," said Peter Eliasberg, managing attorney of the Southern California ACLU.
State and U.S. court rules require a plaintiff to claim injury. For the Redlands cross, that meant an unhappy resident or two.
There could be any number of reasons why those residents have remained anonymous. Just ask Darrell Barker, the first person to publicly complain about the Redlands cross.
In 1986, Barker, a former Redlands resident then living in San Bernardino, sent a letter to the mayor stating, "From an atheistic viewpoint, many of us find the Christian torture symbol offensive."
Once his request to have the cross removed hit the local newspapers, Barker said he was ostracized and lost his job.
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Good to say a city standing up to the bullies at the ACLU.
Question to All, Can I link a something from the Corner on the main page?
He can still walk.
Funny how the ACLU will jump to for two (possibly fictitious) offended people; but will willingly offend MILLIONS of people on a daily basis. Douchebags.
Funny how the ACLU will jump to for two (possibly fictitious) offended people; but will willingly offend MILLIONS of people on a daily basis. Douchebags.
wow... you see MSM this IS NEWS. Goodluck to the people of Redlands!!!!
Damn dial-up... Sorry for the double post.
Please add me to your ping list...
Absolutely, got you added.
Maybe the "Redlands Two" can next testify that Eliasberg is a cross molester or maybe even a pedophile. They can claim anything because they don't exist and Eliasberg has some real issues. What a crazy world....
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
later pingout.
In other words: "We expect them to roll over and do whatever we say."
Sounds to me like the good folks of Redlands are calling the ACLU's bluff.
The ACLU doesn't even have a pair of deuce's.
This won't cost $500,000. Maybe $5,000 but not $500,000.
They should sue the ACLU for legal fee's afterwards.
The clueless ACLU has yet to wakeup to the fact that they have been allowed to exist only because of the magnanimity and forbearance of Christians.
The ACLU has clearly crossed the line.
The ACLU is in for a rude awakening.
Too bad.
Who would believe anything that the ACLU had to say? You might as well listen to a Damolcrap.
What about the fishes removed from logos? The little fishes? Gad! Crosses and fishes - enough to drive any loony atheist loonier.
Reminds us how far absurdity goes when the defering Brits ban personal images of cute pigs and the display or very existence of Piggy Banks so as NOT TO OFFEND the sensitivity of Muslims/Islamics. Lopped-off human heads and stoned-to-death women are okay to display in the village streets as moral lessons.
Hasn't the ACLU extended its claws to cover "civil rights" in England? Thought I read somewhere the ACLU opened an office in England. Maybe they're going to sue for removal of conspiciously religious church bell towers and spires.
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