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Thousand cars torched in latest French riots(Paris/France burns, Live Thread Night #11)
Reuters ^ | 11/06/05 | Elisabeth Pineau

Posted on 11/06/2005 5:07:47 AM PST by Dane

Thousand cars torched in latest French riots Sun Nov 6, 2005 12:17 PM GMT

By Elisabeth Pineau

PARIS (Reuters) - Gangs of youths torched 1,300 vehicles overnight in the 10th consecutive night of violence in Paris's poor suburbs and major French towns, despite the deployment of thousands of extra police.

Cars were burnt out in the historic centre of Paris for the first time on Saturday night. In the normally quiet Normandy town of Evreux, a shopping mall, 50 vehicles, a post office and two schools went up in flames.

Authorities have so far found no way beyond appeals and more police to address a problem with complex social, economic and racial causes.

Evreux mayor Jean-Louis Debre, a confidant of President Jacques Chirac and speaker of the lower house of parliament, told France Info radio:

"To those responsible for the violence, I want to say: Be serious ... If you want to live in a fairer, more fraternal society, this is not how to go about it."

The deaths 10 days ago of two youths apparently fleeing police ignited pent up frustrations among young men, many of them Muslims of North and black African origin, at racism, unemployment, their marginal place in French society and their treatment by the police.

"Many youths have never seen their parents work and couldn't hold down a job if they got one," said Claude Chevallier, manager of a burned-out carpet depot in the rundown Paris suburb of Aulnay-sous-Bois.

But authorities now say the rolling nightly riots are being organised via the Internet and mobile phones, and have pointed the finger at drug traffickers and Islamist militants.

Overnight, 1,295 vehicles were torched across France, the highest total so far, police said. An extra 2,300 officers have been drafted in.

Seven police helicopters buzzed over the Paris region through the night, filming disturbances and directing mobile squads to incidents. Overnight, police made 349 arrests.

The number of incidents in the Paris region was similar to the night before, but in the provinces it was up sharply.

TARNISHED IMAGE

The violence has tarnished France's image abroad, forcing Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin to cancel a trip to Canada, while Russia and the United States have warned their citizens to avoid Paris's troubled suburbs.

Villepin has combined a call for an end to the riots with dialogue with community leaders, youngsters and local officials, and has promised an action plan for 750 tough neighbourhoods.

"I'll make proposals as early as this week," the weekly Journal du Dimanche quoted him as saying.

But it remained unclear what could stop the violence, though some opposition parties have suggested a symbolic measure -- the resignation of Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy.

Accused of stoking passions by calling troublemakers "scum", Sarkozy has ignored calls to quit. A survey published on Sunday indicated his public image was holding up, even if many disapproved of his strong language.

Villepin also has ambitions to be the right wing's presidential candidate in 2007 and has tried to position himself as a much more consensual figure than Sarkozy; the effect on the crisis on his ratings is still unclear.

With no end in sight to the nights of wailing sirens, acrid smoke, stone-throwing and destruction, residents from all ethnic backgrounds are tiring of the unrest.

"My kids can't sleep at night," said a mother named Samia in Aulnay-sous-Bois. "They hear explosions, they see fires and they think they're in a war. When the slightest thing happens, they get anxious and say 'Mama, what's going on?'"


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To: Tommy-the-pissed-off-Brit

That's because the women are in the field doing the hard work. Welcome to Islam and a woman's "place". That's why I always laugh at these idiotic America and other Western women who convert and cover themselves up...how much one must trully hate herself?


701 posted on 11/06/2005 8:45:32 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: mysonsfuture

Here is Le Pen's party's website. http://www.frontnational.com/accueil.php For a translation, use Babelfish. From what I can see from this site (with the Babelfish translation), they want REAL action. Sounds all good (examples include declaring an emergency state, institute zones of protection, prohibit meetings for example), except for one proposal, that they want to take ALL guns away from people (at the now burned down police stations. Wink wink), and immediately arrest anyone who doesn't comply. Hmm. Nationalist Socialist...where have I heard that before?

Still, compared to what Chirac is doing, I guess you can say that what they are proposing is a lot better then the situation now. Especially if France's survival is at stake.


702 posted on 11/06/2005 8:52:13 PM PST by Simmy2.5 (There are more conspiracies at DU then there are on Coast to Coast AM.)
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To: Interesting Times
From the article: "But it remained unclear what could stop the violence..."

Cut off the welfare checks.


And the power in the rioting areas and the cell phones. Then isolate them with troops and use overwhelming force. THAT will put an end to it.
703 posted on 11/06/2005 8:52:56 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: July 4th
Assuming insurance pays out. A lot of policies deny claims for civil insurrection.

You mean like most homeowners policies don't pay for flood damage? /sarcasm
704 posted on 11/06/2005 8:57:57 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: LikeLight

Shotguns, I suppose, because you're bound to hit a few targets at once. But I'm no expert...not yet.


705 posted on 11/06/2005 8:59:30 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Dark Skies

"Are you aware that France has over 350 nuclear warheads with long range delivery capacity. At some point, this ceases to be a French problem...and becomes a world problem."

Islam IS a world problem but the 'world' isn't listening!
.........................................................


It's all about Iraq, isn't it?

Yep, it's all about Iraq and...

India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Britain and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Sri Lanka and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and the Netherlands and Scotland and...

...and pretty much wherever Muslims believe their religion tells them to:

"Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them. Seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war."
Qur'an, Sura 9:5




" The List " of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 12 Months: CLICK ONTO LINK

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/default.htm#attacks


706 posted on 11/06/2005 9:02:42 PM PST by Fred Nerks (MAINSTREAM MEDIA ISN'T MAINSTREAM IT'S THE ENEMEDIA!)
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To: Dane

Is it safe to say that more cars have been destroyed in France than in Iraq?


707 posted on 11/06/2005 9:04:26 PM PST by TaxesR2High
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To: Dane

Most of the cars were Yugo's so the damage estimate hasn't quite reached $1000.00 total but its growing. lol


708 posted on 11/06/2005 9:05:53 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: Darksheare; GroupCommanderMandrake; darkwing104

Hmm. GCM has gone to ground for now. Perhaps dead will keep his eye out for a new FRiend. One just never knows.


709 posted on 11/06/2005 9:11:33 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (Proud to be named as a member of the Radical Right Wing. Vast Right Wing got old.)
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To: Dark Skies

Does the Chirac Doctrine Work?
Chirac may have several reasons for extending French embrace beyond mere sympathy with the Arab world to uncritical support of rogues regardless of their rejectionism or support for terror. Part of his embrace of Saddam Hussein, Yasir Arafat, Bashar al-Assad, and Hassan Nasrallah may be due to a desire to undercut U.S. objectives in the Middle East and thereby bolster French prestige at U.S. expense. His personal antipathy toward Israel and desire to please his Muslim constituency may also contribute. When terrorists killed French Jews in Israel, French officials often failed to express condolences. French diplomacy continues to show total disdain for the Jewish state. The French ambassador to the United Kingdom, for example, called Israel "that little shitty country" at a dinner party hosted by Daily Telegraph columnist Barbara Amiel.[79] The new French ambassador to Israel labeled Sharon a "rogue."[80]

From Chirac's perspective, though, his policies have bolstered French prestige. A close friend of Chirac explained, "For 1.2 billion [Muslim] people, France exists."[81] The importance of Paris may have declined within Europe, in the trans-Atlantic relationship, and even among many of her former colonies, but within the Islamic world, France retains some of her former stature. Yet, preservation of such prestige may come at a high cost. In December 2003, a blue-ribbon panel reported that increasing Islamism within the French Muslim community threatened French secularism.[82] The 1905 law on the separation of church and state constitutes a pillar of the French republic. Chirac supported a March 2004 law banning head coverings, including scarves and hijab from public schools. In doing so, he incurred the wrath of Islamist radicals in France and abroad.[83] Iranian foreign ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Assefi warned that Chirac's "extremist decision is against the citizens' rights and will tarnish France's image in the Islamic world."[84] On January 2, 2004, Iranians chanting "Death to France" interrupted a sermon critical of the French decision by Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, a close associate of Iranian supreme leader ‘Ali Khamene‘i.[85] Sheikh Mohammed Qabbani, mufti of the Lebanese republic, accused the French government of showing "a hatred of Islam."[86]

It remains unclear whether Chirac's pro-Arab policy has translated into real influence among the most radical segments of Arab society. When the Iraqi Islamic army insurgent group seized two French journalists just outside of Baghdad in August 2004, French foreign minister Barnier appeared on Al-Jazeera to reiterate Chirac's pro-Arab policy and to thank the Arabic satellite channel for support.[87] The kidnappers demanded that the French government lift its ban on headscarves. Protestors marched in support of their demands in Lebanon and Bahrain. Several months later, the group released the journalists unharmed after 124 days. Their captors declared that their "liberation occurred because of the numerous calls of Muslim organizations along with the appreciation of the French government's position on Iraq and that of the two journalists regarding the Palestinian cause."[88]

http://www.meforum.org/article/772

(The sicko narcissist has sold his country down the drain.)


710 posted on 11/06/2005 9:17:48 PM PST by Fred Nerks (MAINSTREAM MEDIA ISN'T MAINSTREAM IT'S THE ENEMEDIA!)
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To: Dane

Bruler, Bebe, Bruler!


711 posted on 11/06/2005 9:18:24 PM PST by de Buillion (Perspective: 2000 dead Heroes in 3 +yr vs. 3589 abortions EVERY DAY , 1999, USA.)
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To: Dane

Has the French govt. entered surrender negotiations yet?


712 posted on 11/06/2005 9:27:36 PM PST by de Buillion (Perspective: 2000 dead Heroes in 3 +yr vs. 3589 abortions EVERY DAY , 1999, USA.)
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To: OKIEDOC

We have to stop immigration to this country from low class Muslim countries.



We have to stop immigration from moslems period. Remember those moslems on the planes on 9/11 were from high class Saudi Arabia.


713 posted on 11/06/2005 9:28:47 PM PST by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Pookyhead

I do think the French might "get it" eventually...but it might take a while.


714 posted on 11/06/2005 9:32:46 PM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: austinaero

I think Spain is lost. Anyone listening from Spain, am I right or wrong?


715 posted on 11/06/2005 9:35:27 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops...)
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To: samtheman
Overnight, police made 349 arrests... 750 tough neighbourhoods.

France must go to the UN first, and get their approval to see if they can make the arrests.

716 posted on 11/06/2005 9:41:30 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (Dogs love me, small animals fear me!)
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To: VRW Conspirator
Re: France must go to the UN first

I agree. Acting unilaterally only creates more bree.

717 posted on 11/06/2005 9:44:13 PM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: AmericanChef

Cheers to your good sense!


718 posted on 11/06/2005 10:13:51 PM PST by Libertina
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To: Libertina

719 posted on 11/06/2005 10:35:06 PM PST by spokeshave (A return to unified Democratic government is so unlikely as not to be worth considering)
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To: Dane

Why? Why? Did we not support Saddam??

Are the jihadists in greater Paris & elsewhere in France on their rioting rampage out of revenge for Charles Martel leading the Frankish armies defeating the invading Muslim armies in 732AD.

The Battle of Tours stopped the northward advance of Islamic horde from the Iberian peninsula, pushing the enemy back into Iberia (Spain)

720 posted on 11/06/2005 11:19:30 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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