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Thousand cars torched in latest French riots(Paris/France burns, Live Thread Night #11)
Reuters ^ | 11/06/05 | Elisabeth Pineau

Posted on 11/06/2005 5:07:47 AM PST by Dane

Thousand cars torched in latest French riots Sun Nov 6, 2005 12:17 PM GMT

By Elisabeth Pineau

PARIS (Reuters) - Gangs of youths torched 1,300 vehicles overnight in the 10th consecutive night of violence in Paris's poor suburbs and major French towns, despite the deployment of thousands of extra police.

Cars were burnt out in the historic centre of Paris for the first time on Saturday night. In the normally quiet Normandy town of Evreux, a shopping mall, 50 vehicles, a post office and two schools went up in flames.

Authorities have so far found no way beyond appeals and more police to address a problem with complex social, economic and racial causes.

Evreux mayor Jean-Louis Debre, a confidant of President Jacques Chirac and speaker of the lower house of parliament, told France Info radio:

"To those responsible for the violence, I want to say: Be serious ... If you want to live in a fairer, more fraternal society, this is not how to go about it."

The deaths 10 days ago of two youths apparently fleeing police ignited pent up frustrations among young men, many of them Muslims of North and black African origin, at racism, unemployment, their marginal place in French society and their treatment by the police.

"Many youths have never seen their parents work and couldn't hold down a job if they got one," said Claude Chevallier, manager of a burned-out carpet depot in the rundown Paris suburb of Aulnay-sous-Bois.

But authorities now say the rolling nightly riots are being organised via the Internet and mobile phones, and have pointed the finger at drug traffickers and Islamist militants.

Overnight, 1,295 vehicles were torched across France, the highest total so far, police said. An extra 2,300 officers have been drafted in.

Seven police helicopters buzzed over the Paris region through the night, filming disturbances and directing mobile squads to incidents. Overnight, police made 349 arrests.

The number of incidents in the Paris region was similar to the night before, but in the provinces it was up sharply.

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The violence has tarnished France's image abroad, forcing Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin to cancel a trip to Canada, while Russia and the United States have warned their citizens to avoid Paris's troubled suburbs.

Villepin has combined a call for an end to the riots with dialogue with community leaders, youngsters and local officials, and has promised an action plan for 750 tough neighbourhoods.

"I'll make proposals as early as this week," the weekly Journal du Dimanche quoted him as saying.

But it remained unclear what could stop the violence, though some opposition parties have suggested a symbolic measure -- the resignation of Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy.

Accused of stoking passions by calling troublemakers "scum", Sarkozy has ignored calls to quit. A survey published on Sunday indicated his public image was holding up, even if many disapproved of his strong language.

Villepin also has ambitions to be the right wing's presidential candidate in 2007 and has tried to position himself as a much more consensual figure than Sarkozy; the effect on the crisis on his ratings is still unclear.

With no end in sight to the nights of wailing sirens, acrid smoke, stone-throwing and destruction, residents from all ethnic backgrounds are tiring of the unrest.

"My kids can't sleep at night," said a mother named Samia in Aulnay-sous-Bois. "They hear explosions, they see fires and they think they're in a war. When the slightest thing happens, they get anxious and say 'Mama, what's going on?'"


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: charlesmartel; france; insurgency; parisriots
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To: jlasoon; proud American in Canada
I think he actually said police morale was at ZERO 0

He also said that French radio was way behind the curve. Remember this is France we are talking about, and like I said before, the broadcast media there is essentially state controlled.

481 posted on 11/06/2005 2:08:34 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: livius
But this is ideological, even though the rioters themselves may not be fully aware of it.

Yep, and it is beginning to look pretty good managed. I wonder how many Molotov cocktail factories are located in Mosques.

483 posted on 11/06/2005 2:11:23 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: little jeremiah; Dane
It can't help but make one wonder what the truth is. Is the reporting accurate?

The radio has been very tightlipped. The same headlines recycled the whole time I've been listening, with occasional new things.

But it's all old news--stuff from yesterday and this morning, nothing about what is happening right now.

I can't help but contrast this with the coverage after the London bombing.

485 posted on 11/06/2005 2:13:38 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Dane

There will come a time when Islam will have to be deemed incompatible with western society. Who will be the first country to do it?



486 posted on 11/06/2005 2:13:50 PM PST by Buffettfan
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To: Selene

That's what I find so ironic... The one "youth" speaking in regards to Sarkozy calling them "scum" said that the insult was as if he "declared war". They said they are "fighting so their friends' death would not be in vain". They are truly delusional... The ones rioting ARE scum - showing complete disrespect for their "own" - burning down the schools and businesses of their neighbors and families. Attacking women, senior citizens, firefighters, paramedics, and disabled people...

What's most scary is that they show the same sort of attitude as some of the "poor" in this country. Entitlement, self-righteousness, etc... No interest in personal responsibility.


487 posted on 11/06/2005 2:13:57 PM PST by LibertyRocks (Updated Info on "Stoppered Vial" Case & OU Bombing... http://sweetliberty.alfablog.com)
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To: Lizarde

"they aren't going to be able to enforce a curfew - that's the sad truth of the matter"


I was just about to say the exact same thing.


488 posted on 11/06/2005 2:14:56 PM PST by jlasoon
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To: Shortstop7; All
Fox just reported..............that 10 police officers had been hit.....

It's at least that; I heard the term "dozens," with at least two being critical.

I wonder why the police haven't shot back? Have they been told not to? If their hands are tied like that when officers are getting hurt, it's no surprise their morale is zero.

489 posted on 11/06/2005 2:15:35 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: jlasoon

at least things look good in New Orleans now...;o)
http://www.nola.com/fqcam/


490 posted on 11/06/2005 2:16:14 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life.)
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To: proud American in Canada

They were reporting the other day that police had only "non-lethal" bullets (rubber pellets?).


492 posted on 11/06/2005 2:17:01 PM PST by LibertyRocks (Updated Info on "Stoppered Vial" Case & OU Bombing... http://sweetliberty.alfablog.com)
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To: mojito

Looks like the French should dust off the Committee for Public Safety before the insurgents do it for them.


493 posted on 11/06/2005 2:17:41 PM PST by dogcaller
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To: proud American in Canada

The radio has been very tightlipped. The same headlines recycled the whole time I've been listening, with occasional new things.



That's pretty amazing, isn't it? Dana Lewis- reporting live on FOX every hour or so said the radio in France is hours behind reporting facts on the ground.

Thinking...if there was even ONE night like this here in the U.S. it would be covered live by competing cable stations 24/7


494 posted on 11/06/2005 2:18:17 PM PST by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: Dane

From French News on shooting:

http://news.tf1.fr/news/france/0,,3260739,00.html

Babelfish translation:

Twenty-nine police officers wounded by shootings

Suburbs:Twenty-nine police officers wounded by shooting About thirty police officers were wounded Sunday evening in Grigny (the Essonne), including two seriously, by shootings of guns with shot. Fires of vehicles and attacks of public buildings had begun again as of Sunday afternoon in provinc

Whereas the groups of breakers seemed to avoid the contact with the police force during previous nights, of the confrontations violent one occurred Sunday evening in Grigny, in the Essonne. About thirty police officers were wounded by shootings guns with shot. Two CRS were more seriously reached, whereas 27 their colleagues were it more slightly. At the time of these clashes between police officers and young breakers, no arrest was announced. In the same department, incidents took place in the city of Tarterêts of Corbeil-Essonnes, around fifty of masked young people having in particular tried to project a vehicle on a bus of CRS located downwards of a road. A school was also burnt with Savigny-on-Barley. Also in Paris area, the principal treasury of Trap doors (Yvelines) was burnt. The traffic of the buses of the RATP was in addition disturbed Sunday evening in Parisian suburbs because of urban violences, particularly in the departments of Seine-Saint-Denis and the Top-of-Seine.

In province also, the number of announced incidents was increasing to the wire of the evening. Fires of vehicles were announced in Nantes. Several cars were burned in Rouen and Le Havre Sunday at the beginning of evening, whereas a car ram was launched against a police station of a "sensitive" district of the agglomeration rouennaise. In Toulouse, incidents also occurred in Mirail between a group of about thirty young people and police force which answered by shootings of teargas jets of various projectiles. A nursery school was burnt with Saint-Etienne and eight weight-heavy with Roanne.

Also in the afternoon of Sunday, a bus was set fire to by a group of young people in the suburbs of Saint-Etienne and two people were slightly wounded in the fire. Towards 16H30, a group is gotten into the bus on the level of the commune of Ricamarie (the Loire). They ordered to the passengers to go down and poured gasoline in the vehicle, which they ignited before all the passengers did not have time to leave, according to the police force and the Company of public transport of the agglomeration inhabitant of Saint-Etienne (STAS). The vehicle was completely destroyed by the flames. Its driver and momentary was taken charges some by the firemen because of light burns. The traffic of the buses was completely stopped in the agglomeration. In the night of Saturday to Sunday, confrontations between young people and the police force had already occurred in Saint-Etienne and a fifteen year old teenager had been challenged and placed in police custody. But then, the intervention of the families had brought back calms it.

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Article continues for a few more paragraphs.


495 posted on 11/06/2005 2:18:47 PM PST by Ray66
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To: jlasoon
Does anyone have a live feed or any info from ground zero in Paris.

All Quiet on the Western Front:


496 posted on 11/06/2005 2:19:07 PM PST by 11th_VA (Geezee Freepin Peezee ...)
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To: Lizarde

LOL - Shock and Awe???


498 posted on 11/06/2005 2:23:23 PM PST by 11th_VA (Geezee Freepin Peezee ...)
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To: Lizarde
It's surrender time!

I got a WW2 picture with 3 French soldiers surrendering to German forces in 1940. Their hands are over their heads and they're LAUGHING!

'Whatta nation.

500 posted on 11/06/2005 2:27:49 PM PST by johnny7 (“What now? Let me tell you what now.”)
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