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Liberal support sinks after sponsorship report (Second poll confirms Liberals falling in Canada)
CTV.ca ^ | 11/04/05 | CTV.ca News Staff

Posted on 11/04/2005 9:07:26 PM PST by Heartofsong83

Liberal support sinks after sponsorship report CTV.ca News Staff

The Gomery Report has pushed the sponsorship scandal back into the spotlight, and the Liberals' popularity among Canadians slid 10 points the past month, according to a new poll conducted for CTV and The Globe and Mail.

In the days since Tuesday's release of the Gomery report, support for the Liberals has dipped and the two parties are essentially running neck-and-neck.

The Conservatives have the support of 31 per cent of Canadians while the Liberals have the support of 28 per cent. (That's a statistical tie given a 3-point margin of error.)

In a similar poll released Oct. 14, the Liberals had 38 per cent support; the Conservatives were at 25 per cent.

According to polling done this week for CTV and The Globe and Mail by The Strategic Counsel, the sponsorship scandal is second only to health care as the most important issue heading into the next election.

Sixteen per cent of Canadians said the sponsorship scandal was the most important issue, while 24 per cent said it was health care.

While a small majority (52 per cent) claimed that the report was about "as (they) expected", twice as many claim the results were "worse" (28 per cent) rather than "better" (13 per cent) than they expected.

While the Conservatives remain strong in the West, especially the Prairies, they have risen to 35 per cent support in Ontario, tied with the Liberals.

The NDP, meanwhile, now leads British Columbia, while the Bloc Quebecois now hold almost 60 per cent of the francophone vote, virtually guaranteeing victory in all the francophone seats in Quebec.

Election buzz

The poll results -- similar to an Ipsos-Reid survey also completed this week -- are heating up talk on Parliament Hill of an election sooner, rather than later.

The Liberals' minority government depends on support of the NDP, which is demanding action be taken to restrict the growth of private health care in Canada. Leader Jack Layton is now perusing a proposal put forth by Liberals.

"We are disappointed in what we see, but we are going to proceed in good faith over the weekend to study what has been offered here," Layton told a news conference Friday.

Layton has threatened to take away the support of his 18 seats in the House of Commons in a confidence vote that could come as early as Nov. 15.

Meanwhile, Conservative Leader Stephen Harper swung into campaign mode Friday morning. Capitalizing on outrage rekindled by the release of the sponsorship report, he unveiled his party's "Accountability Act."

"When I become prime minister I will undertake an unprecedented overhaul of the federal government," he said. "That is my commitment to you."

"Cleaning up government begins at the top," he added, accusing Prime Minister Paul Martin of deflecting blame whenever the taint of scandal touches him.

"Under Paul Martin's watch the waste and mismanagement and corruption has continued."

Martin's vulnerability

Although the Gomery report exonerates the prime minister, the poll finds that a majority of the population does not believe that Martin, when he was finance minister, had no knowledge of what was happening with the sponsorship program.

The numbers show:

60 per cent do not believe that Martin was not involved 71 per cent feel he must be held accountable Only current Liberal voters believe he was not involved and should not be held accountable for the events that transpired, but even among these loyalists, almost 4 in 10 disagree. CTV's chief parliamentary correspondent Craig Oliver said what must especially be disappointing for the Liberals is that the report "was supposed to be an emergency parachute which rescued them from the whole business of sponsorship -- and it didn't open."

On the question of which party is best at cleaning up the abuses that have occurred in the federal government, Liberals and Conservatives are tied at 20 per cent.

The only good news for Martin is that Canadians do not appear to be in any great rush to get to the polls to punish Liberals.

Nearly two-thirds (63 per cent) still find Martin's offer to call an election after Gomery's final report more appealing than an immediate election call. Only Bloc voters appear to want an immediate election.

The poll is based on telephone interviews with 1,000 adult Canadians 18 years of age or older. The interviews were conducted between Nov. 2 and Nov. 3. A sample of 1,000 yields a margin of error of +/- 3.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.


TOPICS: Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: adscam; canada; deadliberalism; harper; liberals; martin; sponsorshipscandal
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Actual polling numbers: Conservative 31%, Liberal 28%, NDP 20%, Bloc Quebecois 13%, Green 7%. That would translate into a Conservative minority government, with about 110-125 seats compared to 90-105 for the Liberals, 57-65 for the Bloc, 25-35 for the NDP and perhaps a Green.
1 posted on 11/04/2005 9:07:27 PM PST by Heartofsong83
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To: Heartofsong83

After the way the Tories screwed up the initial Gomery reaction in the spring, I have my doubts they can take advantage of this.


2 posted on 11/04/2005 9:12:55 PM PST by Pikamax
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To: Heartofsong83
I see you folks in droves on our freeways every day.

Hey, we're pulling for ya up North! I've said it before and I'll say it again: We'll spend a lot more time (and money) up there once you guys elect a Conservative.

3 posted on 11/04/2005 9:13:07 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom

We're trying!!! The MSM will be angered once there is a Conservative government though...knowing that their beloved Libranos will be exposed and obliterated in the following election...


4 posted on 11/04/2005 9:17:14 PM PST by Heartofsong83
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To: Heartofsong83

Liberals will win anyway up there.


5 posted on 11/04/2005 9:17:51 PM PST by Crazieman (6-23-2005, Establishment of the United Socialist States of America)
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To: Heartofsong83

it is highly unlikely


6 posted on 11/04/2005 9:20:24 PM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: Heartofsong83

What I find the most depressing here is...

7% Green Party. OK, despite what is wrong with the Liberals (plently), the NDP is much much worse. So take the absolute TAINT that is NDP, and then jump even further left into fairie dust land and you find the Green Party. At 7%. A Green-NDP alliance would threaten both the Liberals and the Conservatives. Given the socialist tendencies of the Bloc, such an alliance would likely draw some from them as well.

I am willing to say that the majority of Liberal supporters are simply being fooled, and are otherwise ok. Otherwise they would be with the NDP and Greens. They just keep voting Liberal because they think that is all they can do, that their hands will fall off if they vote differently. Given this generous view, "only" 40% of Canadians are entirely ****ed up.

7% Green Party. 20% NDP. People who think the Liberals are too conservative. It boggles the mind.


7 posted on 11/04/2005 9:20:36 PM PST by M203M4
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To: Heartofsong83

Could you explain what the result would be if those numbers hold? The conservatives would still not be in power right? Probably same prime minister?


8 posted on 11/04/2005 9:24:17 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: M203M4

Green at 7% = at the most 1 seat, all it would do is split the left even more to allow the Conservatives to win. Also there is some fracturing going on in the party, as many Green members complain the party has gone too far to the right...


9 posted on 11/04/2005 9:29:54 PM PST by Heartofsong83
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To: Mount Athos

Conservatives would have a minority government.


10 posted on 11/04/2005 9:30:23 PM PST by Heartofsong83
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To: Heartofsong83
"The Liberals' minority government depends on support of the NDP"

Great, the Liberal socialists depend on the NDP socialists. And now that gay marriage has come to Canada all the socialists should all be satisfied and in bed with each other... You know, sex ed. classes in Canada will be about teaching the proper and safe way of inserting a penis up the ass (I say that seriously)... but hopefully the Canadians are smarter than listening to a party that has given them that and more. Corruption and safe, state sponsored sodomy from the Liberal Party... God, what more can we ask for!
11 posted on 11/04/2005 9:38:06 PM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Heartofsong83

Don't worry about what they think. Stay focused. Nominate someone from the equivalent of Texas (Alberta?) ;-)


12 posted on 11/04/2005 9:42:48 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Heartofsong83
"Nearly two-thirds (63 per cent) still find Martin's offer to call an election after Gomery's final report more appealing than an immediate election call. Only Bloc voters appear to want an immediate election."

Amazing. It's like saying, "Yeah we know our government is corrupt and screwing us, but lets have them run the country anyways."

Mind you, I'm not saying it's any better in the USA. The mindset just baffles me.
13 posted on 11/04/2005 9:45:31 PM PST by Adiemus
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To: Heartofsong83
It strikes me that Canada is heading towards being rather ungovernable. The fractures are more numerous than the quake lines in California, and unlike California, they all seem to be active.
14 posted on 11/04/2005 9:47:40 PM PST by Torie
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To: M203M4

If the Greens and NDP ever formed a majority or plurality governing body, we'd have to build an electic fence along the Canadian border.


15 posted on 11/05/2005 1:10:03 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (*Fightin' the system like a $2 hooker on crack*)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Fair Go

Oh, at the provincial level they (it is actually the NDP) were once in government in Ontario and BC, while they are currently in power in Manitoba and Saskatcheswan.

This is a country where the far Left has enough power to govern on its own in some places.


16 posted on 11/05/2005 2:36:42 AM PST by NZerFromHK (Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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To: Heartofsong83

The Liberal Party will recover and be returned to power in yeat anotehr landslide in Feb 2006. There are just far too many socialists on the Left and High Tories on the Right in Ontario to prevent the Liberals ousted from power. Then the fun can start: Alberta starting separatist movements.

Then I can't say what will happen to your country in five years time.


17 posted on 11/05/2005 2:39:01 AM PST by NZerFromHK (Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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To: NZerFromHK

At the moment there seem to be riots everywhere - France, Denmark, Thailand, Argentina - do you thing this could see a swing to parties of the centre and right?


18 posted on 11/05/2005 2:54:36 AM PST by Fair Go
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To: Fair Go

Things may change for the better, but I don't think things will happen in Canada unless a major terrorist attack is carried out in Toronto or Montreal. English Canada may actually wake up to the cause if half of London is gone in a terror attack (the Tories in English Canada still maintain a sentimental allegiance to Mother Britain, while the conservatives out in Western Canada are already on the train long ago).

But I don't my breath as to whether it will ever happen.


19 posted on 11/05/2005 5:38:30 AM PST by NZerFromHK (Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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To: NZerFromHK

Oh, I know the NDP has managed to sink its fangs into a few provincial governments... Then, of course, you have to wonder if they could really be that much worse than Grits have been at the federal level. They already look as ethical and upstanding as most of your post-colonial African governments.


20 posted on 11/05/2005 3:11:07 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (*Fightin' the system like a $2 hooker on crack*)
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