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Governor race vital to Allen, Warner
THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | November 4, 2005 | Christina Bellantoni

Posted on 11/04/2005 7:09:22 PM PST by caryatid

The gubernatorial election Tuesday in Virginia is as much about Gov. Mark Warner and U.S. Sen. George Allen as it is about the candidates.

A win by Republican Jerry W. Kilgore would help top supporter Mr. Allen, a Virginia Republican who faces re-election next year.

A win for Democrat Timothy M. Kaine would further the presidential ambitions of Mr. Warner, a Democrat.

Mr. Kilgore and Mr. Kaine remain very close in the polls. A statewide Rasmussen Reports survey released yesterday to The Washington Times showed Mr. Kaine with a three percentage point lead, a one-point increase since the firm's Oct. 27 poll.

The margin of error is three points, so the candidates remain deadlocked.

With the race so tight, the four men will remain on the campaign trail into the final weekend.

Though the results Tuesday will neither make nor break Mr. Allen or Mr. Warner, either would indeed profit from a party victory, said Toni-Michelle Travis, professor of government and politics at George Mason University.

"A Kaine win gives Warner a platform to say his ideas were the direction Virginia should be going in," she said. "The stakes are higher for Warner because he has no other experience."

Prior to being elected governor, Mr. Warner, a telecommunications mogul, had never held political office.

Mr. Allen, who also has presidential ambitions, will be at Mr. Kilgore's side for at least five get-out-the-vote rallies today and tomorrow.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: allen2008; georgeallen; jerrykilgore; kaine; kilgore; markwarner; timothykaine; va; virginia; warner2008
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An "off off year" gubernatorial race with possible national implications ...
1 posted on 11/04/2005 7:09:24 PM PST by caryatid
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To: everyone

Can any knowledgeable person tell me whether Kilgore can still pull out a win -- and if so, why?


2 posted on 11/04/2005 7:12:05 PM PST by California Patriot
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To: caryatid
I suspect the national implications bit is hype myself. Allen will either catch on as a presidential candidate based on his presentation, or he will not. I suspect that he will not. I don't think he has the smarts or the depth. But that is just a tentative surmise at this point. Warner is running as a VP candidate.
3 posted on 11/04/2005 7:12:08 PM PST by Torie
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To: caryatid

I am far more worried about Warner running for pres than Hillary.


4 posted on 11/04/2005 7:16:38 PM PST by BoBToMatoE
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To: California Patriot

Nobody knows, but I would be somewhat surprised if Kilgore wins. My guess is that there will be a heavy anti Bush turnout in Fairfax County and environs, and down around the Norfolk area. Kilgore has the advantage that the state still has a slight GOP bias, and Kaine is a bit left of center for the state, but Kaine is the more articulate and competent candidate. In the one debate I saw, Kaine made the superior presentation to me.


5 posted on 11/04/2005 7:18:15 PM PST by Torie
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To: California Patriot

He certainly can, because in the last several elections Republican candidates for Va. Governor always outperformed their polls. The state has a Republican lean and a strong Republican GOTV.

You have to say that Kaine has the edge right now, but it's an extremely narrow one.


6 posted on 11/04/2005 7:19:34 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: BoBToMatoE

You're joking, right?


7 posted on 11/04/2005 7:51:32 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: caryatid

From what I've seen, Kilgore hasn't run the best campaign.

Though, if Allen wants to run for President and actually wins the nomination, not sure he will win yet, a Republican Governor is key.

This said, I think the best reason to vote for Kilgore is to hurt Warner. Yes, count me as one of those that doesn't see Hillary as a guarentee. The Dems that win office are from the South. Northeasterners have hadn't a victory since Kennedy, who had a questionable first race against Nixon.

The Democrats will select their next nominee on one or two reasonings. Perceived Electability, or Far left OUT and proud Leftist. IMO, Hillary is neither. She's certainly Left, but she is afraid to announce it. her electability is questionable with the baggage of her past.


8 posted on 11/04/2005 7:59:07 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: Torie

It should be about issues.

Kaine is left on taxes, abortion, guns, affirmative action, death penalty, business.

Kaine is a radical leftist. He might be an articulate Ted Kennedy clone but his politics still suck.


9 posted on 11/04/2005 8:01:00 PM PST by johnmecainrino
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To: Torie

Kaine also supports illegals getting in state tuition and illegal labor sites.


10 posted on 11/04/2005 8:02:23 PM PST by johnmecainrino
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To: HostileTerritory

I've been working on the GOTV campaign and the Republican organization here is a machine. They will contact all 36,000 Republican households in my county before the election and they are well on their way. Kaine is strong in two NOVA counties Arlington and Fairfax. (After living here for 5 years I find that the influence from these areas is kind of overated and filled with self important people. If Kilgore pulls 30% of the vote in those two counties he will hurt Kaine bad) Kilgore has enormous support in SW VA which was critical to Warner's victory last time. Kaine doesn't have it there and that will be the difference.


11 posted on 11/04/2005 8:03:10 PM PST by DarthVader (Do something positive for your country today: Punch an America hating leftie in the mouth.)
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To: johnmecainrino

He also supports universal state subsidized nursury schools, a really dumb idea. But that is basically noise. Among other things, the voters know that none of his left turns will be enacted into law.


12 posted on 11/04/2005 8:04:42 PM PST by Torie
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To: DarthVader

Sincere wishes you pull this off. More so, because the Left is using a race like this....or the one with Hackett in OH...to attempt to construct a winning model for their '08 race in "conservative" leaning states.


13 posted on 11/04/2005 8:08:07 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: DarthVader
If Kilgore gets 30% in Fairfax, he will lose.
14 posted on 11/04/2005 8:15:59 PM PST by Torie
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To: Soul Seeker

Thanks. Republican discontent is not that high from what we've seen so far. In fact it is quite minimal. The base is fired up and ready to vote. The NOVA counties of Loudon, Fauqier, Prince William and Warren are strong GOP counties have the votes to cancel Arlington, Alexandria Fairfax and that is one of the areas where the GOTV is very strong. Kilgore will get conservative Dem support especially in SW VA. The southern parts of the state despise the liberals in the DC corridor and love to show them whose boss. If the Republicans show up in force Kaine is a dead duck.


15 posted on 11/04/2005 8:16:56 PM PST by DarthVader (Do something positive for your country today: Punch an America hating leftie in the mouth.)
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To: Torie

Fairtax is overated. My county of Prince William alone can cancel them out. We have 60% Republican voters and Bush got 74% of the vote on his relection and our GOTV effort is in full gear. Jerry is polling at 37-43% in Faifax now and we are working it hard.


16 posted on 11/04/2005 8:21:14 PM PST by DarthVader (Do something positive for your country today: Punch an America hating leftie in the mouth.)
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To: DarthVader
Well, below is what Bush got in Prince William while carrying the state by 250,000 votes. I suspect Kaine will break even with Kilgore in Prince William, more or less.

                          Bush    Kerry  Bush    Kerry
Prince William	132,063	 52.84%	 46.40%	 69,776	61,271	 

17 posted on 11/04/2005 8:29:17 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie

Not with what our internals are telling us.


18 posted on 11/04/2005 8:32:38 PM PST by DarthVader (Do something positive for your country today: Punch an America hating leftie in the mouth.)
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To: DarthVader

Prince William loves Kilgore more than Bush 2004 eh? We shall see.


19 posted on 11/04/2005 8:34:29 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
You are so wrong about Allen, it is barely worth mentioning.
20 posted on 11/04/2005 8:36:00 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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